this dictator, murdering and putting his thumb on top of this entire country, snag they ve been fighting for a long time. bill: you think about berlin in 1986, i think with the about the raid that followed in tripoli and benghazi by our u.s. military, pan am ten three, 270, many of which were americans in 1988, you think about the wmd development that was happening at least until a few years ago in libya. and you think about, you look at the excitement there, but it s the excitement, you re going to feel freedom. how many family members do they know that have been murdered by this individual? four decades of it. why did it take so long, why did it have to last, and you ve got that internal uprising itself where this is a good day when this is brought to justice. there is still a a lot of work to be done because you want to make sure this new government doesn t fall into any of the past behaviors, get the democracy they desire and it s why they rose up. bill: on that point can they
their own confirmation. so all that now on the table at 9:33 here in new york. martha. martha: for more on these development, huge developments this morning, we want to bring in waleed faris, middle east terrorism analyst and author of the coming revolution and struggle for freedom in the middle east, wally, good morning, can you hear me okay? i can now. martha: your impressions of what we re watching on the streets of libya this morning. we are watching the end of a major chapter in the history of the middle east. qaddafi came to power in 69, i was 12 years old when that happened. now, after all these decades of bloody involvement, he repressed his own people and he was involved in international terrorism, including against americans, the pan am tragedy, against the french, against our europeans, he was involved in the continent of after cash now this is over, his regime is over, but his remnants probably will continue at some point in time to play the role of
still up in the air, you had issues in saudi arabia that were tampered down, oman was an issue, yemen has fired you and we still don t know what s happening inside syria. this entire region could very well be known as the year that the dictators went down, what kind of a future does it hold, what kind of government takes place here, what kind of policy, how does that affect the u.s. policy in the middle east, these are wide open questions we ll go through throughout the morning as we bring in some terrific guests over the next two hours. martha. martha: bill, thank you. as you know, the u.s. military played a crucial role in bringing about the beginning of the end of qaddafi s regime. jennifer griffin has been following this all along for us, they joins me live from the pentagon. what is the word from the pentagon this morning on all of this, jennifer? reporter: martha, neither u.s. defense officials or intelligence officials at this point can confirm that qaddafi has been either c
that involvement we re not here today at this point, and we would have been in a much more difficult and, you know, stressful situation in terms of where that country is going. setting that aside, you know, this is owned by the libyans. they have to take control of this, and they have to push forward. there was no real government structure. gadhafi ran this country in a very clever way under his thumb by setting up sort of a bizarre, dysfunctional series of committees and congresses. it was an unusual structure. it s not like egypt where move bar rack lees mubarak leaves and you ve got some infrastructure to build off of. i think probably the closest example we ve got in is iraq, and we need to take lessons about what happened after hussein was killed to avoid that chaos in libya. bill: i predict in two days over the weekend you will be reading stories published online and print inside newspapers in this country about radical fundamentalists operate anything the libya.
you look at hosni mubarek on trial and whether he said he was going to go out with his last drop of blood, you know. he may have put himself in a position where they had no choice but to shoot him. well, we don t know. we re going to get the information at some point in time. but just with the information that we know, we could do some projections. he was shot in the leg, so he was disabled. then he was shot in the head, after being hit according to the report. we don t know. with shoes on his body. so it seems that the unit that captured him did not want him to be alive for a tribunal procedure. these are the facts we can read from the reports we have, but we need to get more information. martha: before i let you go walid, your biggest concern for libya this morning. the biggest concern is what comes next, the next chapter, that the transitional national council will move quickly towards, first, civilization, there will be no revenge against those who have been defeated because