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maybe that s - a little defeatist. but given that sort of context, i think broadcasters, - commissioners, are happier to try a few things out, - they might not have quite the vast budgets of some| of those old shows, and see what they can achieve - with newer, quirkier ideas. so this is a little move in the right direction, i i would suggest. and maybe a little bit on your territory, alex mahon from channel 4. chris just called both these shows bold and they kind of are. one s on sky arts and. it is a poetry show, i know you want to call it spoken word, danielle! and, derek, what you re doing is very bold for a saturday night show as well, in terms of visuals and surprise. are those shows you d like on channel 4, alex? they re both brilliant shows. i would love to have either of them. they re absolutely brilliant. does it mean you have to be bolder, though, if itv or sky arts are being as bold as channel 4.? that s not a bad thing. having competition s not a bad thing. having lots o

Quirkier ideasChannel 4Chris curtisAlex mahonSaturday night showDerek mcleanSky artsPoetry show