4:00 in new york with the skies above us are hazy from those canadian wildfires. we are all under air quality warnings. we re going to get to that story later in the broadcast. but we begin with what is shaping up to be a white knuckle day for the disgraced twice impeached now indicted legally liable for sex abuse ex-president thank foss fast-moving developments in special counsel jack smith s investigations, plural, into donald trump. today, a federal jury in miami is back in action hearing witness testimony as part of the special counsel s investigation into whether the ex-president mishandled classified documents. or obstructed government efforts to retrieve those documents after leaving office. and it was not just any witness, it was one of trump s closest aides. a former trump spokesman who have as super pac. saying that prosecutors weres partially interested in taylor budowich, after sending boxes of material from his private home to the national archives, trump left a
has retained on much of the republican base. more republicans will be asking themselves if this is the person they want as their nominee in 2024. taken as a whole, it was devastating in the extreme and for the congressional committee tasked with investigating the most devastating attack on the u.s. capitol in centuries, hutchinson s testimony puts their probe at a crossroads with important new questions to answer, especially about the role of white house counsel pat cipollone and what he told the ex-presind top trump officials on january 6th and in the days before and after. vice chair liz cheney reiterating the panel s call for cipollone to testify. white house counsel pat cipollone had significant concerns. it s time for sip loan toe testify on the record. any concerns he has about the institutional interest of his prior offers are outweighed by the need for his testimony. punch bowl news is reporting this, quote, the january 6th select committee is likely to subpoena pat c
just told what you was happening. he said, yeah, i know. then he looked and said have you talked to the president? tony said, yes, sir. all good. so this felt like this presentation of evidence like the sort of two book ends of both trump s knowledge and meadows knowledge of the violence that was planned and the capacity of violence, in the form of specific types of weapons they were carrying. it is sort of bolstered from radio traffic which isn t from capitol police, but personnel detail if they re planning to move the president. but the planned otr. and the difference between an otr movement and a different kind of movement. tell me how meadows cracks the code on this evidence that was very much developed, with what was available to the committee, but maybe not fully pierced without meadows himself. yeah, so meadows is the gate
illegal from the hearing last thursday and the secret service today confirms that trump was mad when he got in the vehicle because he wanted to go to the capitol. we also know that his role in the fake electors scheme is different knowing about that planned movement, the planned otr to the capitol. lay out for us what you think the new questions are about trump s criminal exposure. you ve done a great job of laying out which looks to me like the operation of a conspiracy. all of this activity that you ve talked about, this is a plan being put into effect or an attempt to put the plan into effect. so from a prosecutorial point of view, if you re talking about charging a conspiracy, no matter what kind of conspiracy it is, one to interfere with congress or on this new evidence of violence, something that now has to be investigated whether trump