and members of his inner-most circle. we re talking about the slates of fake electors set up in battleground states. they set up as the spark for the rest of the plan as conceived by john eastman. from the very beginning from when the plan was first conceived days after the november election, attorneys for the trump campaign were well aware of the fact that their plan for slates of fake electors was how should we put it fake. the new york times reported on emails from trump lawyers that say this, quote, we would just be sending in fake electoral votes to pence so someone in congress can make an objection when they start counting votes and start arguing that the they need to be counted. he wrote that on december 8, 2020 in an email to boris epshteyn, an advisor for the trump campaign. in a followup email, the same guy, mr. will len chick wrote that alternative votes is probably a better term, a better word than fake votes. he added a smiley face emoji. the plan quickly g
one-man professional firing squad targeting lifelong republican chris krebs. krebs, of course, declared the election, quote, the most secure in american history that will cost him his job. the firing of the top expert has reportedly come under scrutiny by special counsel jack smith as he investigating every piece of the trump coup plot. and the new york times reports, the team led is asking witnesses about the events surrounding the firing of chris krebs. he was the top official in the 2020 election. mr. krebs selection that the election was secure with the assertion that it was, quote, a fraud on the american people. the special counsel reportedly issud subpoenas two weeks ago to staff members in the trump white house. a key focus for jack smith according to the times. the investigators appear focused on trump s state of mind around the firing of mr. krebs. as well as on establishing a time line of events leading up to the attack on the capitol by a pro-trump mob on janu
process of the company, the pillow person and the overstock person and sidney powell as he got closer to jigts. there s a copious amount of testimony and taped depositions. you can only imagine jack smith was able to find more evidence that trump knew he lost. that seems to only enhance his criminal exposure and whatever is coming from jack smith. no question the jury is going to hear what you just played and hear much more likely about this. i still remind folks, really something important here. a fervent belief in something does not equal a reasonable belief in something, nor does it give you license to commit a crime around your per vent belief. the jury is going to sit there, evaluate the evidence. they ll see what i call charles tan attorneys and advisers telling the president, i think this is fraud, you should fight.
against him. kushner testified before a grand jury in washington last month where he s said to have maintained that it was his contention that trump truly believed the election wupz stolen when briefed on the matter. saying trump thought it was stolen isn t the same as trump having information that anything had been stolen. it feels like jared kushner may be watching his inheritance with one eye and his legal hide with the other. you have so much evidence that people went right to trump and told him that he lost. nobody went in and told him the opposite because the pillow person, the pardoned mike flynn. what questions do you have about this new reporting? so, a could things. regardless of what someone s opinion is jared kushner s opinion about what he thinks the president truly believed or
mark milley in his transcript in the january 6 select committee had a conversation with the subsequent president of what had gone wrong. the co-could haveny of voices. and saying that he could have believed something else. is there a norm inside of prosecutions where if 45 people with credibility are saying things like that, then you can t lean on the pillow person? well, that s a real factual call as to whether you think you can prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt. and that means you have to approve the mens rea, as neal said, the intent. i have to say, here, i don t see the other side. because to quote the then white house counsel, at some point, facts matter.