compassionate with the understanding i needed help. he was refered to a local ex-gay organization. i thought i would go a couple days without being attracted to men but then i would have a sexual slipup so i thought i m failing again. five years into therapy sean hit a low point and again, tried to kill himself. desperate he moved to california and joined a live-in program for gay men trying to become straight. very controlling environment. we went to work. after we got home, we had dinner together. we didn t go places alone, other than to work and back. we were in groups of two and three. sundays we went to church together. we had curfews. sean was totally committed to the program. the first year i was great, this is i ll make it. this is what i needed and, you know, then i had a slip with one
joining me now is lisa ling who spoke with alan chambers for our special on the own network. first of all, it s great to have you back on the program. thank you. did it surprise you alan chambers apologized they shut the doors? it did surprise me when he said he wanted to apologize to all gay people and people harmed by exodus because it s acre knowledging that thoses had their lives harmed by it. what now? last year they stopped condu conducting therapy and this year he wants to apologize to people they harmed. what now? we witnessed what now last night. what does it actually mean? he still he s not saying being gay is he saying being gay is okay? so, although alan won t directly say it, he still believes that homosexuality is a sin. he just doesn t want to be part
of an organization to try to convert people or cure people of homosexuality because he says it s not possible. he himself as gary tuckman s report indicated still says he has same section attraction as does 99.9% of the people that have gone through the program. i interviewed a number of people that say they are ex-gay they will acknowledge that they still have the attractions, as you just said alan does, that they still have the thoughts. they are just forcing themselves or training themself not to act that s right. not acting on it. to an extent that s how alan is living now. i firmly believe that he has a beautiful marriage with his wife leslie and children we he says he continues to have same-sex attraction. i ve done a lot of these interviews and clearly, i m gay but i don t try to force my opinion on, you know, somebody wants to, you know, thinks they
rubio are much more interested in getting immigration reform done because they are worried about being beaten by democrats that get more hispanic voters and you have the house polar rised and people from red, red districts. their concern isn t democrats but getting primary challenges from conservatives so that s why they don t want to do this. john boehner, the house speaker compared it to obamacare which is a four letter word for republicans, that kind of says it all. dana, thanks, interesting. let s get caught up on other stories. susan hendrix has the bulletin. the worst day of the year for the dow joaning dropping more than 2%. investors are unnerved about the plan to phaseout the stimulus program. they pump billions of dollars dollars into the economy every month. a criminal investigation under weigh into usis, the private firm that checked snowden s