say, you know, okay, look, you re guilty of perjury now, we need you to talk more about they can only do that if you lie to them. i don t think you should paint this as something that you don t have reason to believe it. is. you can say it s duplicative, overreaching, say it seems like politicized harassment. fine. those are all opinions. to set it up as something like that, you believe this is an injustice. you sound like the president. i believe the nadler investigation, house judiciary investigation is kind of redundant. redundant is different than a perjury trap. that s an abuse of the system. i understand that, chris. i believe i m susceptible to this because i don t trust the people who are inviting me there. by the way, they haven t invited me yet. they may not. another thing i want to tell you. please. when i worked at the house radio tv gallery back in the late 80s, i was responsible for broadcast television coverage of seven of the permanent
figure it out. you are going to hear a lot about this. you re going to hear the president say it s harassment, it s harassment. that s a feeling what s going on with oversight, okay? the idea of we don t want to go in there because they re trying to create perjury traps, we re going to be hearing this. i keep shooting it down because a perjury trap, by the way, that s a heavy charge to level on prosecutors. that s an abuse of process at a minimum. but if you come in and don t lie, how do i get you in a perjury trap, ross? yeah. so, look, it s a couple of different things. one is congressional hearings are different than, you know, prosecutions and courtrooms. congressional investigators are a lot less sort of accustomed to dealing in this territory, and it s a lot more political, chris. and that is a legitimate concern of the president and his people, that this you know, these hearings aren t just about finding the facts, but they are happening in this political environment. there
what do you think might happen if you show up? first of all, i think i looked at all the document requests. i was, you know, been through about 80 of them, you know? and i was probably, if not the smallest, one of the smallest. only had a couple paragraphs. three paragraphs. some people went into four, five, six pages, like don junior and others, and from my perception, if they want me, who couldn t even give them the documents that they wanted, and a rather marginal person in their list of 81 people, they want me to interview, they re going to want every single one of us to interview. that s i m sorry? that s why you re on the list. understood. go get it done. i get that, chris, but at the same time, i m two years into this now. i testified before the house intelligence, the senate intelligence. and the o and the mueller investigation. this is where it starts looking like they re asking the same questions for a fourth time in a row, two years after the first ti
know, democrats on capitol hill are looking to undermine sort of the political capital of the president. that is true. and if part of that is sort of setting people up in lies, that is not beyond the pale of a congressional hearing to do. so i think you can only set them up if they re going to deliver on their side, berit. that s my point. a perjury trap, you know, if you get me on something where i say the answer is six and you say, aha, ross said it s five, and you knew it was five, and i believe ross. i got you. you only have me if i gave you the wrong answer and you can show that it s the wrong answer and that i knew. that s a high bar. i just feel like that s a scare tactic that is undermining the legitimacy. and just as it would be wrong to harass, just as it would be wrong to overreach, it s wrong to undermine as well. yeah, i mean a perjury trap is a really specific legal defense. i mean you would have to call somebody to testify without any, you know, legitimate investig
good. i introduced them to the whole henry greenberg thing. and i know that i will not be prosecuted if the democrats who were accusing me of this falsely on live television, here on your show and others never. many different times. never. never. never. never. i have never allowed anyone to accuse you of anything on this show okay. that isn t i stand corrected. that is unsubstantiated. i m going to take that back. on ash wednesday, i got to take that back. you know me better than that. i ll come at you but i m going to do it directly. who else isn t going to comply? you hung that out there. who? i don t fknow who s not goin to comply. i talked to several people. i know a lot of those 81 people. we all agree that it feels like a perjury trap. we all agree it feels like they re trying to set the stage for an impeachment of the president. those are two very different things. no, it s not. it is. no, it s not. a perjury trap is an abuse of proces