intent in terms of any interactions. jonathan swan, have you heard any reporting from the hill and your investigations about possible perjury charges against don junior and others involving the meeting. you talk about setting up a perjury trap, if i want to set up a perjury trap, i would have republicans being in charge of the investigating committees and put somebody, a complete dupe, like devin nunes in charge of the intel community, so if i were don junior i would feel i could say whatever i was going do say and not be held accountable. everything he said before nunes and the intel committee and congress, has been sent to robert mueller and i m sure they re looking to see if he committed perjury and could be
members of congress, members in the senate, they all want to hear from him. he keeps saying he wants to have his day. he wanted to come in and talk and tell his story. that hasn t happened. on the russia investigation, john dowd, the president s former lawyer, is opening up and explaining why he never wanted the president to answer questions in person from the special counsel robert mueller. clearly fearing the president would wind up perjuring himself. he gives an interesting story. time and time again, we have heard from the lawyers, from the president s lawyers, from people close to the president that they have always been concerned that there would be a perjury trap. the president wouldn t remember something and then mueller would get him in a perjury trap. here is how dowd explained it in this podcast to abc news. in my questioning him or talking to him, first question, easy, second question, easy. third question, he wasn t sure.
and announce it the day his longest serving adviser is indicted. but as you know, i guess that s the way we live now. and it has, of course, also become something of a clish they shay to say oh, but trump gets away with things and he s not held accountable for his lies. look at the facts. six former aides invited. an open criminal probe. his team is not getting away with everything. roasted and toasted for broken promises by conservatives, which shows that the falsehoods did hurt him in the shutdown fight. so you know trump s lawyers? they always say they don t want him to talk or to testify because mueller would spring a perjury trap. but trump is in trouble because of lies he told all by himself. he is living in a perjury trap house he built himself. and maybe that s very 2019 as well, from a wall to a cave to a trap house. legally, it s too early to know
i think he felt like it was his duty. he has been destroyed in the press. he s been under constant surveillance, or at least he believes to be, and he thought that by going there and giving his side, that it would somehow alleviate the pressure of everything that s going on. rudy giuliani talks about this idea of a perjury trap. perjury trap is where they only bring you in to prove that you re lying because they have you already. not for legitimate investigative purposes. i m not saying that s what this was, but roger had to know they were asking him such specific questions two and three times. did you ever talk to this person? are you sure you never talked to this person, and there was enough information that they had to know they had his communications. i don t get where his head was on that. do you? roger stone gets roughly a thousand e-mails today. so you really think he might not recall. i really think. as someone that s testified in front of the special counsel, i
i m the one that testified to the special counsel, that randy credico was the intermediary and two weeks later he was subpoenaed. i have known this since 2016. since before it was an issue. why do you think roger went before the congressional committee in the first place? he could have pled the fifth. i think he felt like it was his duty. he has been destroyed in the press. he s been under constant surveillance, or at least he believes to be, and he thought that by going there and giving his side, that it would somehow alleviate the pressure of everything that s going on. rudy giuliani talks about this idea of a perjury trap. perjury trap is where they only bring you in to prove that you re lying because they have you already. not for legitimate investigative purposes. i m not saying that s what this was, but roger had to know they were asking him such specific questions two and three times. did you ever talk to this person? are you sure you never talked to this person, and there