if you are going to establish the web, having the map is as crucial as as knowing as knowing what was said. okay. jamie, thank you very much. i want to go on the back of jamie s reporting to shan wu, former federal prosecutor, and dana bash, of course our chief political correspondent. co-anchor of state of the union. so, shan, i am just trying to understand, right? they get messages from mark meadows that he sent and received during the riot, right? 6,000 pages, okay. and he does all this without anybody forcing him to do anything of the he is like here you go, doesn t claim executive privilege. and now, all the sudden, he says, nope, not going to don t want to not going to say anything, not going to be deposed. no more. what in the world could his game be, shan? i suspect he and his legal team are worried about those subpoenas that have been issued for the phone records and text records. he is worried about a perjury trap being created for him because when he disclosed thos
matter of when that s going to happen. ryan nobles, appreciate the kickoff from capitol hill. a big confrontation. with me to share the reporting and insights, cnn s kaitlan collins, margaret tall of axios, and shan wu. meadows was cooperating and then the aboutface, now the remarkable details we ll get to the juicy details to his lawyer. we re searching for the truth, meadows should testify. you not as his letter you might have told him to do the same thing, why? they ve got 100 subpoenas out now. that s laying a possible perjury trap for him. no doubt he cherry picked what he did turn over the committee, and now he s worried it may show that he cherry picked it, or they may pconfront him with people he didn t talk about. steve bannon is already in court because of a criminal contempt. the committee wants the information and wants it now. they are faced with the idea that if you have another court case, a key witness here, yes,
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providing testimony about what you have hard evidence about in the form of phone records. and so these phone records are incredibly valuable. he s worried about a perjury trap being created for him. because when he disclosed those documents voluntarily, i would bet that he is giving over things to make him look pretty good. now, though, he doesn t know what other people may be saying. there may be people that he didn t disclose that he spoke to, so he s worried about that and he s afraid of being ambushed so they re backing out. now they know there are ways he could be impeached or confronted. cnn will have much more coverage of the january 6 investigation throughout the day, of course. now, the republican and democratic leaders of the u.s. senate have agreed to a one-time process to allow democrats to raise the debt ceiling on their votes alone. the house has passed legislation that sets up the process and also delays automatic medicare cuts. the measure will need ten republican
york. griff. griff: jacqui, to are more on the information into governor cuomo. let s bring into attorney and northwestern adjunct law professor, andrew stoleman. thank you for taking time on a saturday. what do you know about the grilling the governor is receiving in albany today? well, we don t know precisely what is going to be asked, but it sure is a bad idea for governor cuomo to agree to this interview because it s a classic perjury trap. he doesn t know what the investigators have. he doesn t know all of the witnesses who have spoken to the investigators so he s sitting down for an interview, more for political reasons, rather than criminal reasons. and make no mistake about it, griff, he does face potential criminal sanctions, so, i think all around, this is a really, really bad idea. griff: you says perhaps making a mistake by sitting for these questions in this grilling for political reasons,