as of hero in the aftermath after 9/11. but giuliani has since morphed into a prominent per var of lies that the election was stolen about former president donald trump and it all culminated today in that chaotic scene before a scrum of reporters outside of a county jail. joining me now is former georgia state senator jen jordan. she testified in the fulton county grand jury earlier this month. also with us is former chief speech righter for mayor giuliani and cnn s own political analyst john avlon. john, giuliani teed it up well. he is known for all of these things. how could it come to this, that he is turning himself into a county jail on r.i.c.o. charges? it s a surreal series of tragedies, twists of fate that were utterly unimaginable. when you look at the mugshot