meanwhile the russian government is claiming the images coming out of a bucha, quote, state. even though international media outlets including the dbc and the new york times have reported on satellite images that clearly contradict those statements. since the beginning of this war the kremlin and russian state media has been trying to push an alternative narrative about what is happening in ukraine that has largely been shown to be false. how should russian disinformation be counted, and can they be held responsible for it? well, the key, you know, as you re suggesting is to get the facts. so i mean in the case of bucha journalistvise already done a very good job. the satellite imagery shows the bodies were on the ground during the russian occupations and this was not something done after russian soldiers left. human rights watch investigators on it ground have been doing the same thing. we actually spoke to a woman from bucha who described the