their tastes, and often that news is steeped in conspiracy theories and paranoia. and it s very difficult to reach those people. you know, they re not tuning in tonight to find out what the facts are about this case. they re, you know, on facebook. they re on twitter. they re listening to the people that they were inclined to believe already. they re listening to the president. you re not going to ever convince these people. all that you can do is decide that this weekend and next weekend instead of playing golf or going to the gym, you start ringing door bells. elections have consequences. what we ve found from all this is that words have consequences, as they always have. you know, enemy of the people, that was used by the stalinists, by paul pott, by moise donge. it was a democrat, pat cadell who brought it to this country.
by paul pott, by moise donge. these people are radicalized by fundamentalists online and radicalized by donald trump targeting people. when trump started talking about steve scalise bernie sanders never told anybody to this is critical point. bern bernie sanders and nancy pelosi did not get up and put steve scalise with a target on him, and say it s okay to body slam steve scalise. nobody ever said that. so this idea that both sides do it, which is something that people who are not conspiracy theorists, just regular trauchl apologists are engaging in this what aboutism, this both
news is steeped in conspiracy theories and paranoia. and it s very difficult to reach those people. you know, they re not tuning in tonight to find out what the facts are about this case. they re, you know, on facebook. they re on twitter. they re listening to the people that they were inclined to believe already. they re listening to the president. you re not going to ever convince these people. all that you can do is decide that this weekend and next weekend instead of playing golf or going to the gym, you start wringing your hands and you start ringing doorbells. elections have consequences. what we ve found from all this is that words have consequences, as they always have. you know, enemy of the people, that was used by the stalinists, by paul pott, by moise donge. these people are radicalized by fundamentalists online and radicalized by donald trump
the only way i would be able to write it because i was involved in the story. normally i would have to recuse myself and they agreed to my pitch that there was an unusual story about journalism and how journalists cover national security topics and this was the best way to tell it. essentially it was a story of john kiriakou former cia officer who was a source for me and for any number of national security reporters around washington. after he retired from the cia. and now through a lot of twist and turns, he ended up being the first cia officer to be in prison for leaking classified information to the american press. never happened before and now he s in federal prison in pennsylvania. part of your story starts with interview in 2007, brian ross of abc. got just a 30 second clip so our viewers can catch up with john kiriakou looks like and kind of a sense what he was talking about. [video clip] at the time i felt that waterboarding was something we needed to do. as time pa
part of your story starts with interview in 2007, brian ross of abc. got just a 30 second clip so our viewers can catch up with john kiriakou looks like and kind of a sense what he was talking about. [video clip] at the time i felt that waterboarding was something we needed to do. as time passed and has september 11th has moved farther and farther back into history, i think i changed my mind. i think waterboarding is probably something we shouldn t be in business of doing. why do you say that now? because we re americans and we re better than that. at the time you didn t feel that way? at the time i felt so angry and i wanted so much to help disrupt future attacks in the united states and i felt it was the only thing to do. that was six years ago. what was the importance of that interview? that interview made a big splash. even though we all written about waterboainue that certainly historically has been considered to be torture. one of the favorite torture tech