that s what a lot of people don t seem to understand. i was not working in the courthouse. he was in the pasadena courthouse in california, a small courthouse with ten other court of appeals judges in that courthou courthouse. i, of course, was working in washington, d.c.. when you did see and talk with judge kazinski, what types of things did you talk about? we were among the 12 co-authors of the brian-garner led book on just terrible precedent. so for several years, that was a problem. all of us were the 12 of us i guess if toll were working on that, judge dianne wood a chief judge of the 7th circuit. justice gorsuch was a co-author, so we worked on that as a group. justice kennedy for the last 30 years had had judge kazinski run justice kennedy s hiring process. in the course of that process, i