brazenly defied the court and said, i m going to continue any way. that s what led to the contempt of court finding. and that s what he was about to be sentenced for. and that s what ended as a result of the pardon. that legal process. again, not discussed at all by the president. as far as i could tell until this point. michael, what the president did talk about, though, was how many other bad pardons presidents have made in the past. it was almost as if he was saying look, there s a hall of shame out there for presidential pardons, and this one is in a long line of controversial presidential pardons. is that a good defense? it s not a good defense, but it s a fact. if you re pardoning something, they re in a criminal jam-up or they ve been in jail. we saw president obama free a terrorist who was responsible for defendants and hundreds of bombings. you re doing it, too. absolutely. listen, pardons are, by their very nature, controversial. i think that president trump, while a
other bad pardons presidents have made in the past. it was almost as if he was saying look, there s a hall of shame out there for presidential pardons, and this one is in a long line of controversial presidential pardons. is that a good defense? it s not a good defense, but it s a fact. if you re pardoning something, they re in a criminal jam-up or they ve been in jail. we saw president obama free a terrorist who was responsible for defendants and hundreds of bombings. you re doing it, too. absolutely. listen, pardons are, by their very nature, controversial. i think that president trump, while a lot of people disagree, especially on cnn, about this pardon, you know, he was looking at an 85-year-old man who had never been in trouble in his life who he felt and a lot of people in our camp feel was railroaded by a weaponized department of justice. and at 85 years old, convicted of a misdemeanor and what we