that not only is he liable for a thousand dollars an insult, he could actually go to jail. in new york the judge is allowed to sentence up to 30 days for each contempt of court finding. so maybe that will make a difference for trump. i doubt that it will, if we think about a thousand dollars, that might be chump change for trump. it might actually be worth it for him if he s able for just a thousand dollars to insult people like michael cohen and stormy daniels. so jail will be the real disincentive, and i wouldn t, if i were trump, i wouldn t play with judge merchan on that scoreboard. so before we go, paul, i want to play something for you because it gives us some insight from what is called the prosecution s star witness, michael cohen, who went live last night on the social media app, tiktok, and here s what he said. but i promise you that the
brazenly defied the court and said, i m going to continue any way. that s what led to the contempt of court finding. and that s what he was about to be sentenced for. and that s what ended as a result of the pardon. that legal process. again, not discussed at all by the president. as far as i could tell until this point. michael, what the president did talk about, though, was how many other bad pardons presidents have made in the past. it was almost as if he was saying look, there s a hall of shame out there for presidential pardons, and this one is in a long line of controversial presidential pardons. is that a good defense? it s not a good defense, but it s a fact. if you re pardoning something, they re in a criminal jam-up or they ve been in jail. we saw president obama free a terrorist who was responsible for defendants and hundreds of bombings. you re doing it, too. absolutely. listen, pardons are, by their very nature, controversial. i think that president trump, while a
about at all. which was the law, that sheriff joe arpaio was convicted of breaking, contempt of court. the court ordered him not to violate the civil rights of latino residents of arizona. right. this was a long, continuing drama in phoenix. there had been many challenges to arpaio s rule. and the one that really stuck was that he was accused and found to have conducted immigration round-ups. that included lots of people who were not illegally in the country. a judge told him to stop. not only did he continue, he brazenly defied the court and said, i m going to continue any way. that s what led to the contempt of court finding. and that s what he was about to be sentenced for. and that s what ended as a result of the pardon. that legal process. again, not discussed at all by the president. as far as i could tell until this point. michael, what the president did talk about, though, was how many