being investigated. it is going on? claims that are all being investigated. it is growing incredibly frustration, being investigated. it is growing incredibly frustration, especially because it follows on from the owen paterson story which is another example of borisjohnson shooting his government at the foot for no good reason and putting conservative in peace and a very hot position. it is frustrating for mps personally, they will be receiving communication from constituents and babel right back with the government story and if the government story turns out to be wrong it makes those mps personally look like liars and they will write back to them with they will write back to them with the government story. we had seen this in the growing rebellions over public health measures, it would have been very difficult for boris johnson to try to lock down over christmas even if he wanted to. we are fortunate because we seem to have turned a corner on the pandemic, if the prime minist
all that is subject to an interview, an investigation by sue gray. hannah brady lost her dad sean to covid four days before the e mail invitation was sent. she was one of a small group who later met the prime minister in that same downing street garden. i think this pandemic, for me, is the story of two men. so, one is my 55 year old dad who is dead, having spent 42 nights on a ventilator fighting covid and no other illnesses. the other is a man who was 55 at the time of this party, borisjohnson, having survived covid himself, thought it was appropriate to host a party where you could bring your own booze, sit in the garden at downing street, where borisjohnson met me and four other bereaved families and told us to our faces, after listening to my dad s story, i did everything i could to save him . labour s deputy leader, angela rayner, suggested borisjohnson should step down. i think he should go. i mean, there s no excuses and it will come as no surprise that i don t think borisjohn
he didn t leave, so we recorded another ten minutes, and then we got up, he still didn t leave, he was chatting away, and he said, i ve just spoken to vladimir putin, you know, and i told vladimir that i was going to give an interview to the bbc and vladimir putin said send my best wishes to the bbc. i don t know if that s true, that s what he said. and then he said, don t be upset by the way things have gone, you asked for this interview. he seems to have think it had gone well for him, which is quite interesting, and off he walked. fascinating. steve, thank you very much for sharing the story behind the interview. we appreciate it. steve rosenberg joining us live from moscow. you can find the full interview both on iplayer and also on youtube. now, evidently, steve s interview has very much cut through, though the degree to which it will impact on belarusian politics we will see because of the way lukashenko runs the country. but if we turn our attention to stories in the uk, let s c
were watching that, but what really mattered was when that evening ant and dec on i m a celebrity started to make fun of the prime minister, i think i saw a tweet that said, i think this is what pollsters talk about when they talk about cut through , because over 10,000,000 people watched that, so it allows them to sit up and pay that little bit more attention, if you like, and that then goes on to the news bulletins as a result of that. so that could be a factor, chris williams from the telegraph, let s also talk about certain papers being a factor, because anushka talked about the owen paterson story and a part of that story in its momentum was the daily mail which devoted a huge amount of coverage to it. how do you assess the mail s impact on the fact that the government ended up u turning on a range of fronts around the owen paterson story? i wouldn t overstate the impact of any one paper. i think what you saw at cbi and one of the reasons this cuts through is the prime minister l
and we very much had a case study this week, the speech at the cbi, i m sure most of you listening heard it in some form. the prime minister lost his place for over 20 seconds, compared himself to moses at one point and also said this. yesterday, i went, as we all must, to peppa pig world, i don t know if you ve been to peppa pig world. who has been to peppa pig world? not enough! not that many people had been to peppa pig world at that cbi event, but let s assess whether this is a political storm that will pass or something that may have longer resonance. anushka s with us, chris williams joins us from the daily telegraph and joe is here, co founder and director of deltapoll. i m also told that you have been dubbed the housewives favourite pollster by the times. laughter which is an interesting moniker. but let s stick to the story here. help me and to everyone assess this peppa pig story. it got a huge amount of attention, but in