eleanor, a bit of a circus here? overplaying the seriousness as ramesh is saying of the partial shutdown? it s political entertainment definitely. it s also very serious. i think there s been a quiet consensus among the media the shutdown will roll into the debt ceiling. you can t separate the two although i understand that some people on the right would like to separate the two because they are really getting a lot of heat for flirting with default. joe, i think this is something that i really want you to take on with some seriousness here because it s fine to say that this is all about politics and it s a partial shutdown but when you talk to people who are actually not working, there are people at the nsa not working and people at the agriculture department who are not working and people who are supposed to crank out data that said hog futures and they re not working. there are real jobs not getting done here. that s true. i think the reason why this isn t resonating with th
cares at this point whether republicans overplayed their hand initially or whether the president is overplaying it now. i for almost 20 years of my life run down to the lincoln memorial. it is shuttered up. all kinds of open air monuments in washington, d.c. in a way that was not the case before. in many cases it has never been the situation in the history of our government. yet this president has chosen to shut them down. so i would say either side, whether they re overplaying, is irrelevant to this larger spending problem than we ve got in washington, d.c. the fact that it has come to a head and it needs to be resolved rather than kick down the can for another week or month or two months. let me ask you. this maybe some agree with you, they hate everybody in washington. others care deeply on whose fault it is. you yourself called your furloughed workers back to work. there was the vote as we all know. that vote in congress, nobody voted against it.
our government. yet this president has chosen to shut them down. so i would say either side, whether they re overplaying, is irrelevant to this larger spending problem than we ve got in washington, d.c. the fact that it has come to a head and it needs to be resolved rather than kick down the can for another week or month or two months. let me ask you. this maybe some agree with you, they hate everybody in washington. others care deeply on whose fault it is. you yourself called your furloughed workers back to work. there was the vote as we all know. that vote in congress, nobody voted against it. it would guarantee back pay to anybody who is furloughed. that would mean that if they re not right now, some say that would be a paid vacation. do you think that all furloughed employees across the country should go back to work right now because of that vote? because they re going to get back pay? i would say that the handwriting is on the wall. in the 17 other shutdowns that
we re sort of in a backlash lash at this point. and because this decision was not as sweeping as roe versus wade. it still allows every state to make their own decisions. my worry is that there will be an overplaying of our hand, and that people will try and force this more quickly than we really should. what i m proud of so far is that we have done this the right way. we have done this state by state. we ve done it legislatively, we ve done it through argument, through that kind of what the founders wanted us to do. make our case bit by bit, persuade more and more people and move that forward. i don t want anybody s religious liberty, i want that to be defined as maximally as possible. we do not threaten and should never threaten the conscientious beliefs of those who disagree with us but we should welcome their freedom because it s our freedom too. and so i m very concerned actually that we may become
no. i think that backlash happened. we re sort of in a backlash lash at this point. and because this decision was not as sweeping as roe versus wade. it still allows every state to make their own decisions. my worry is that there will be an overplaying of our hand, and that people will try and force this more quickly than we really should. what i m proud of so far is that we have done this the right way. we have done this state by state. we ve done it legislatively, we ve done it through argument, through that kind of what the founders wanted us to do. make our case bit by bit, persuade more and more people and move that forward. i don t want anybody s religious liberty, i want that to be defined as maximally as possible. we do not threaten and should never threaten the conscientious