spokesman dmitry peskov. he said so far in the talks they see no reason for optimism, but that they re going to get what they want at these round of talks. however, he said they will continue they were open, substantive and direct. that s how he describes the talks. he said there are another two rounds of talks. the ones with nato and the ones with the osc organization for security and cooperation in europe. so those will be had on wednesday. and on thursday, russia s committed to those, but he said it s impossible, peskov said it s impossible to draw any conclusions ahead of that. so really russia sort of holding, you know, holding its decision about what happens next until the end of the week, until these talks are over. peskov also said that the issue of the united states saying that they would be heavy economic sanctions if russia invaded ukraine. despite the fact russia has said it has no intention to invade ukraine, the u.s. side said,
able, jake, but here s where we are. there are two paths before us. there s a path of dialogue and diplomacy to try to resolve some of these differences, and avoid a confrontation. the other path is confrontation and massive kconsequences for russia if it increases its pressure on ukraine. we have important conversations between us starting tomorrow as well as at nato, as well as at the organization for security and cooperation in europe. we re going to listen to russia s concerns, they re going to have to listen to our concerns. if they are proceeding in good faith, we think we can make progress in addressing concerns on both sides that would reduce tensions and deal with improving security. we ll do that in close coordination with european allies and partners. we made clear to russia there s nothing about europe without europe, but ultimately, this is up to president putin to decide which path he s going to follow. it seems unlikely putin will
and we want to deescalate. eric: can you explain what those instruments are? people may not know. how do they work? sure. your yo-atlantic security euro-atlantic security in the area, that s the territory of europe out to the urals in russia, it includes u.s. and canada as nato members x there are agreements such as the conventional [inaudible] europe treaty, the organization for security and cooperation in europe, the helsinki final act from 1975, there s the nato-russia council, the e.u. has to sign off with russia. there are all these existing international and diplomatic ways of addressing legitimate concerns. president putin doesn t want to use those. instead, he wants to threaten ukraine and mass troops on the border. that s not the way that europe s security should be dealt with. eric: yeah. i mean, you ve got all these treaties and agreements with moscow, but he doesn t pay any attention to them. do you think he believes nato
withdraw troops or take at least some of them off the border without some concessions by the u.s. you ve already said that those two that i mentioned up top are off the table or not on the table. what about moving, having u.s. weaponry out of poland, moving it further west or moving missiles? what about limiting the scope of u.s. military exercise? are any of those on the table? first, jake, i don t think we ll see any breakthroughs in the coming week. we re going to be able to put things on the table. the russians will do the same. both directly with us at nato at the osce and we ll see if there are grounds for moving forward. here s what i can say. first, any progress that we re going to make is going to have to happen on a reciprocal basis, by which i mean if the united states and europe are taking steps to address some of russia s concerns, russia will have to do the same thing. second, nothing s happening without europe, and third, it s hard to see making actual progress as oppo
happens when it stands united. which is also something that biden is trying to show here. okay, oren liebermann, thank you. joining us now is michael bosser, a global affairs analyst and the former spokesperson for the organization for security and cooperation in europe. michael, thanks so much for being here. you probably just heard the president s comments there. how do you describe the state of play right now, this hour between the tension of russia and ukraine? good to be with you, alisyn. i had to pinch myself this morning listen to the u.n. security council session. this is cold war rhetoric, a lot of tit-for-tat, and it doesn t get any better than this. but when the russians show no sign of relenting. their accusing the west of pumping ukraine with weapons, of destabilization and denying that they have 100,000 troops on the the border. so clear think ere is a deep di.