seeing it as a crime and domestic crime that torture is. until there is a fair and a full and impartial investigation based on the credible show ing that there is now, and wherever that evidence then leads towards prosecution and, and whatever remedies for the victims, then the door is left open. nothing will have been learned, and as brennan says at the end, leaving it for the future policymaker or a president to reopen. you said last night in terms of the prosecution, you think that there is ample evidence to prosecute dick cheney. absolutely. can you imagine that happening? as a political matter, no. as a matter of justice, it should. and the president, george w. bush? well, we don t know how much
unconstitutional and questionable, but there is a distinction in the sort of the international human rights law insofar as killing in war is somehow permissible where as torture never is. and the prohibition of torture is always, and killing combatants is subject to debate. and the subject of drones is what happens if it is not a war, and if it is used in pakistan and afghanistan, or in syria, is it okay, and then in the u.s., and other areas, then it is the rules governing the laws of the u.s. and it is not viewed zero sum, because there is a drone program and you are opposed to targeted killing, you can t talk about torture. yes. and you can assess the range
and tdrone, and which is morall unconstitutional and questionable, but there is a distinction in the sort of the international human rights law insofar as killing in war is somehow permissible where as torture never is. and the prohibition of torture is always, and killing combatants is subject to debate. and the subject of drones is what happens if it is not a war, and if it is used in pakistan and afghanistan, or in syria, is it okay, and then in the u.s., and other areas, then it is the rules governing the laws of the u.s. and it is not viewed zero sum, because there is a drone program and you are opposed to targeted killing, you can t talk about torture. yes. and you can assess the range of the government s cover. yes. kenneth roth and stephen
the fact is that the routinely issues memorandas on the legality of the l.o.c. publishing the memorandas that you can do this or that, and we have the documents, and we are not the lawyers. and this is interesting, because if you look at the senate intelligence committee report, it will show that early on, the cia lawyers knew that they were committing torture and it is illegal and they had a problem. first, they went to the justice department s criminal division and said would you promise not to prosecute us, and they said no. then they went to the political groups, and worked with david ed a david addington s guy, and said, can we do this? is and that is when they decided to do it. and are you comfortable with this, steven? well, not at all, chris. seeing this, and not having
attorney general that would lead you and your successors to say, we should do this because there could be some value to prevent an attack on america? as far as what happens in the future, there is some type of challenge that we face here, the army field manual is the established basis to use for interrogations, and we, cia, we are not in the detention program. we are not contemplating at all getting back into the detention program and using any of the policies, but i do not contemplate a time in the future to ensure that this country stays safe, or if we face a similar crisis. and that is why those who have propose torture morally have accountability. because if there is a president who will be newly sworn in two years, who knows what type of