impeachment? the scandal has been in the works for month. it exploded. we can see by two critical events that happened on the same day. on september 9th, democrats announced they would go forward to investigate giuliani s suspicious dealings with ukraine. a top intelligence official told schiff a whistleblower filed this mysterious complaint. they would not reveal what it was about and it was not at that time chaired with congress. the director has said essentially that he is answering to a higher authority and refusing to turn over the whistleblower complaint. he or she has evidence of serious misconduct. i think it is fair to involves this involves either the president or people around him or both. so watch this space, as they say. americans have been watching ever since. and the reporting has been filling in the blanks fast. soon there were these clues that the complaint involved trump s quote communications with a
in ukraine on your behalf? well you have to ask that to rudy, but rudy, i don t know i don t know he was going to ukraine and i think he cancelled a trip. rudy has other clients other than me. you didn t joining me now is joyce vance and former u.s. attorney, mayy wiley and barbara mcquaid, nbc contributor and former u.s. attorney. thank you all for being here. joyce, i ll start with you first. let s go back to the second thing i talked about. this was the fact that donald trump has claimed that when he was talking in july to the president of ukraine that he never asked him for anything. they backed that up with claiming that on september 7th and september 9th he literally says the words no quid pro quo. he knew there was a whistle-blower complaint that busted him for trying to get
supposedly second call, two days later, on september 9th where sondland acted as if he hadn t heard it the first time, what do you want from ukraine and trump says i want nothing. no kquid pro quo. it was that second supposed call that trump was referring to hen he showed up on the lawn with the magic marker notes. other witness vs not been able to corroborate sondland s description of that second call or stlan even that it happened . the white house doesn t seem to have any records of a supposed call which is weird because white houses always have records of presidents calls. we learned by the time trump supposedly started shouting no quid pro quo into the phone with sondland the white house had been told that a whistle-blower had come forward with the now famous complaint about trump s
for months. it exploded into public view, set off by two very critical events. they happened on the same day, on september 9th, democrats announced they were going to go forward to investigate giuliani s then suspicious dealings with ukraine. and a top intelligence official then told schiff a whistleblower had filed this mysterious complaint. they would not reveal what it was about and it was not at that time yet shared with congress. the director has said essentially that he is answering to a higher authority and refusing to turn over the whistleblower complaint. he or she has evidence of serious misconduct. i think it s fair to assume this involves the president or people around him or both. so, watch this space as they say americans have been watching ever since, and the reporting has been filling in the blanks fast. soon, there were these clues that the complaint involved trump s, quote, communications with a foreign leader. okay. that was interesting. the very next day
the ukraine. as we mentioned here last night, according to reports from nbc news, abc news, and the washington post, giuliani has either done consulting work, delivered speeches or represented clients and governments in at least 19 foreign countries. there are their flags. back in september, giuliani insisted that his contacts with ukraine were solely at the request of our state department. i never talked to a ukrainian official until the state department called me and asked me do it. then i reported every conversation back to them. it s all here. right here. the first call from the state department. meanwhile, the washington post tonight is also reporting about another important impeachment witness. according to the paper, there are new questions about a phone conversation that gordon sondland said he had with the president on september 9th. remember sondland testified that during the call the president said wanted no quid pro quo with