collusion hoax. i said it was russian collusion. russian disinformation that started with my reporting. i believe in the test of time. when people look at these facts six months from now we will get the truth. martha: let s watch this exchange david holmes on lusenko and rudy giuliani. watch. the three priorities of security, economy and justice and our support for ukrainian democratic resistance to russian aggression became overshadowed by a political agenda promoted by former new york city mayor rudy giuliani and a cad cadre of officials operating with a direct channel 209 white house. that change began with the emergence of press reports critical of ambassador yovanovitch machinations by prosecuting general lusenko and others to discredit her. martha: see said there was a campaign of stories. she didn t understand where it was coming from that started coming out that were derogatory about her. that s right. martha: you were part of those stories. i wrote the stories. i w
wrote them. martha: so what do you say to her? first off, fiona hill said this was a russian misinformation story my story. lusenko was a prison every the russian regime. our state department tried to get him freed when he was named prosecutor general we applauded him. joe biden called him a solid guy. now because he took on the ambassador he is a bad guy. after we applauded him and stood by him. martha: i heard rudy giuliani say i don t actually trust him so much anymore lusenko. he has gone back and forth, he has never gone back and forth on the core allegation of what he said. he has always said and the new york times confirmed it this week i met ambassador yovanovitch and she pressured me. george kent identified five people in ukraine that the state department pressured prosecutors and said do not touch these people. all five of those people are the people lusenko named in my interview. why don t people focus. martha: she got physically, visibly upset