foreign policy principle, putting business first, not military power, was suddenly, it looked like weakness. chancellor olof shulz promised dramatic change. my guest is the state secretary for cooperation niels annen. so has germany got a new strategic vision? niels annen, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. pleasure. it is great to be here. let s start with the war in ukraine. i think there is no doubt that putin s invasion of ukraine shocked germany. would it be fair to say it has also destabilised germany? no, i don tthink destabilised germany? no, i don t think so destabilised germany? no, i don t think so but destabilised germany? no, i don t think so but it - destabilised germany? no, ll don t think so but it certainly shocked germany because a lot of our economic model was based on the assumption that we would continue using cheap russian natural gas and it was also based in a kind of historic, i want to say historic experience that although russia was a competitor an
given those two elements, germany still trying to figure out where to go? germany still trying to figure out where to go? yeah, but you asked me out where to go? yeah, but you asked me about out where to go? yeah, but you asked me about whether - out where to go? yeah, but you asked me about whether it - out where to go? yeah, but you asked me about whether it was| asked me about whether it was destabilising for germany and mike answer is clearly no. here in berlin, wejust overcame mike answer is clearly no. here in berlin, we just overcame a very difficult winter. we were able in record time to substitute for russian gas and oil, especially oil, we have been very familiar with german politics, and decision making, it is quite a complicated business year, we have been able to build a first energy terminal. so, yes, we have the chancellor indicating a fundamental shift. chancellor indicating a fundamentalshift. but fundamental shift. but germany is fundamentalshift. but germany is
foreign policy principle, putting business first, not military power, was suddenly, it looked like weakness. chancellor olof shulz promised dramatic change. my guest is the state secretary for cooperation niels annen. so has germany got a new strategic vision? niels annen, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. pleasure. it is great to be here. let s start with the war in ukraine. i think there is no doubt that putin s invasion of ukraine shocked germany. would it be fair to say it has also destabilised germany? no, i don tthink destabilised germany? no, i don t think so
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