Jail for several years for counterfeiting one vote. If they try to vote illegally once, he tried to steal the entire election. And his lawyers out there are saying that its just a matter of him expressing his First Amendment rights. And that is deranged. That is a deranged argument. Trumps lawyers also making the case that mike pence will be the defenses, quote, best witness. Today on cnn, pence contradicted lauras take on the Pressure Campaign to block the certification of president bidens election victory. What President Trump did not do is direct Vice President pence to do anything. He asked him in an aspirational way, asking is covered by the First Amendment. In the days before the president was talking about us rejecting votes. And then late in the process, his lawyers suggested that we return votes to the states. But frankly, the day before january 6th, if memory serves, they came back, his lawyers did, and said we want you to reject votes outright. They were asking me to overtur
smartly the democrats, are making that binary choice. and the states of what this election are about for the general election now. and it is indeed about the survival or death of democracy in this country, which is what will happen, meaning democracies demise, if donald trump manages to get power again to become president one more time. those are the stakes. as always, thank you both so much. still ahead, trump s lawyers making a very public argument that he did nothing wrong. is it a throwback to another president, who famously thought he too was above the law? and next, how new york city is dealing with humanitarian crises. advocates from the mayor s office clash over the treatment of asylum seekers. asylum seekers. woman: why did we choose safelite? vo: for us, driving around is the only way we can get our baby to sleep, so when our windshield cracked, we needed it fixed right. we went to safelite.com. there s no one else we d trust. their experts replaced our windshield, and