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about the government shutdown and i was the guy who basically won it. the government shutdown representing clinton against the congress there is a misperception. people think the reason republicans lost that is because they were so extreme they shut down the government. that s washington interpretation. the fact of the matter is, the reason the republicans lost it is because they wanted to cut medicare. included medicare cuts in their budget that budget was dead and the public is not. bill: what matters is they did lose. it? does matter, bill, because if we avoid this time we will be okay. bill: you are getting way out there and i want to bring it back. let s establish a few things. president obama is not going to allow the house of representatives to gut obama care. would you agree with that? he is going to try not to but we re going to force him to. bill: okay. we re going to force him to. okay. say you do get him to a place where he has to make a decision.

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