only if you cut spending. bill: absolutely. and that will happen. not next year but for this year. bill: that will happen. you are dodging the essential question. let s stop. when the budget comes up. let me answer you. but when the budget comes up like for the irs or for h.h.s., the republicans have to say we will appropriate money for these agencies but only if you eliminate funds to enforce obama ha care and only if you make it a criminal penalty to transfer money into these programs. bill: he is not going to do it? if obama doesn t go along with it, vetoes it, then we have a government shutdown and the issue will be obama care. and the republicans will win that. bill: i don t think the republicans will take it. oppose obama care. bill: i don t think the republicans are going to take it that far. er time we try this government shutdown stuff it flips back against the party who does it look, far more. that s the conventional wisdom but it s wrong. bill: all righ
only if you cut spending. bill: absolutely. and that will happen. not next year but for this year. bill: that will happen. you are dodging the essential question. let s stop. when the budget comes up. let me answer you. but when the budget comes up like for the irs or for h.h.s., the republicans have to say we will appropriate money for these agencies but only if you eliminate funds to enforce obama ha care and only if you make it a criminal penalty to transfer money into these programs. bill: he is not going to do it? if obama doesn t go along with it, vetoes it, then we have a government shutdown and the issue will be obama care. and the republicans will win that. bill: i don t think the republicans will take it. oppose obama care. bill: i don t think the republicans are going to take it that far. er time we try this government shutdown stuff it flips back against the party who does it look, far more. that s the conventional wisdom but it s wrong. bill: all righ
about the government shutdown and i was the guy who basically won it. the government shutdown representing clinton against the congress there is a misperception. people think the reason republicans lost that is because they were so extreme they shut down the government. that s washington interpretation. the fact of the matter is, the reason the republicans lost it is because they wanted to cut medicare. included medicare cuts in their budget that budget was dead and the public is not. bill: what matters is they did lose. it? does matter, bill, because if we avoid this time we will be okay. bill: you are getting way out there and i want to bring it back. let s establish a few things. president obama is not going to allow the house of representatives to gut obama care. would you agree with that? he is going to try not to but we re going to force him to. bill: okay. we re going to force him to. okay. say you do get him to a place where he has to make a decision.
bill: absolutely. and that will happen. not next year but for this year. bill: that will happen. you are dodging the essential question. let s stop. when the budget comes up. let me answer you. but when the budget comes up like for the irs or for h.h.s., the republicans have to say we will appropriate money for these agencies but only if you eliminate funds to enforce obama ha care and only if you make it a criminal penalty to transfer money into these programs. bill: he is not going to do it? if obama doesn t go along with it, vetoes it, then we have a government shutdown and the issue will be obama care. and the republicans will win that. bill: i don t think the republicans will take it. oppose obama care. bill: i don t think the republicans are going to take it that far. er time we try this government shutdown stuff it flips back against the party who does it look, far more. that s the conventional wisdom but it s wrong. bill: all right. you say. bill, conven
and i was the guy who basically won it. the government shutdown representing clinton against the congress there is a misperception. people think the reason republicans lost that is because they were so extreme they shut down the government. that s washington interpretation. the fact of the matter is, the reason the republicans lost it is because they wanted to cut medicare. included medicare cuts in their budget that budget was dead and the public is not. bill: what matters is they did lose. it? does matter, bill, because if we avoid this time we will be okay. bill: you are getting way out there and i want to bring it back. let s establish a few things. president obama is not going to allow the house of representatives to gut obama care. would you agree with that? he is going to try not to but we re going to force him to. bill: okay. we re going to force him to. okay. say you do get him to a place where he has to make a decision. i tell you that barack obama