we ve seen that in other cases. so we really don t know how close nunberg is. i think he said in one of the interviews yesterday that he s spoken to the president within the last couple months. we need to keep in mind some of the things he said, we need to take with a grain of salt, maybe some of the information about the meeting with trump tower. he had been far removed mr. the dpan at that point. that said, this is someone who knows the president well. you had one of the great lines, choose your own nun-venture. i like that. if you listen to what nunberg is saying, clearing the smoke aside, he s saying the special counsel was asking about the president s business dealings. here is a guy saying inside this testimony the president had crossed that red line. and that i think is the value of hearing from sam nunberg. as jackie said, he s talked about many things that he certainly doesn t have firsthand knowledge of or would be very unlikely to have firsthand knowledge of. when he say