thanks for sticking around. it s friday. we have a lot going on a major show the d.a. who made history by indicting donald trump is under a lot of scrutiny. he has a very interesting record, a record that includes beating trump in court previously did you know that? we have been working on one of our special reports around here, and we are going to air it for you live tonight on manhattan district attorney alvin bragg. that s coming up we begin on the federal side of thing where is the criminal probe of trump continues he is a criminal defendant in new york but the federal case involves a star witness who was also targeted for harm or assassination by then sitting president donald trump when i say those words out loud here, it almost sounds like extreme or hard to remember, but that is really what happened you might think if you were defending yourself in the case where you re accused of causing harm to your own vice president, you d want him to testify and say on your be
you can make a decision about this case. pence had unique access to trump, so as a prosecutor, i need to know what the good evidence is and what the bad evidence is, and i have to find out, is mike pence a witness who has some evidence that would tend to undercut my case against the former president, because if he has that testimony, i need to know it now and not after i indict the case. hmm you said you re interested in neil s take. so are we. that s why you re here some of the aides have already testified. for people who aren t following every little development, it s bad news if your argument is people should be blanket blocked. you can see all these individuals have been ordered to testify except for meadows and ratcliffe was mentioned and miller i believe to have testified. i m curious, as joyce says, your views, and wanted you to weigh in on something i mentioned, which is america has absorbed the indictment, the arraignment
and how quickly america has sort of absorbed this or normalized it, which many experts say is a good thing even if he beats the case and he is legally presumed innocent, it is a good thing that in america, anyone can go through the criminal justice, and when it works, it s afforded fair rights for everyone as for mr. smith, he is doing what, well, from what we can tell, the garland justice department was not immediately doing. he is taking more steps, which is why we re hearing about more witnesses. the new york times reports that smith may be close to finishing what they call the fact-finding phase of his work, moving closer to a decision about seeking charges against mr. trump and others we re joined by former federal prosecutor who has been in exactly that position where you finish the facts and make your decision, joyce vance, and a former very senior doj official, former acting solicitor genera
you can hear the boos, and while as a human matter i don t envy anyone being stuck and booed by a bunch of people, the i love you too always a tough response because it reinforces that mike pence doesn t really sound like a real person all the time and also contradicts himself. and more importantly he continues to carry the albatross of his problems with the trump era while he s also still trying to cover up for trump and politically how is it working for him? he can t even avoid boos in his home state coming up, i want to turn to something really important in florida and how ron desantis is finding that some things at home may haunt him even before he launches a national campaign we have that and by the end of the hour my seattle shout-out. steroid-free allergy relief that starts working in 30 minutes, while other allergy sprays take hours. now with astepro fast allergy relief, [ spray, spray ] you can astepro and go. my husband and i have never been more active.
national security adviser at the justice department, nobody gets to take classified material home and other sensitive information or maps, which was just recently revealed in the newspaper, that trump was showing classified maps to people who didn t have clearances after he was president. nobody gets to do that and stay a free person. certainly, nobody gets to do that after they ve been asked to turn over those documents and don t turn over those documents. yeah. so all ogether, i think thi is a very, very serious problem, and for trump, i expect he will be indicted for it striking hearing that from you. it wouldn t be unprecedented at this point if it were to happen. you remind us, there s so much pressure, sometimes people say gosh, this is a person who got away with it for a long time of course there are crimes in america that remain unsolved forever. we are seeing an accrual of pressure and more than one case. neal and joyce, thank you so much