betraying britain. the home secretary, suella braverman, is loved by some for the stance she s taking. she s loathed by others. my guest on political thinking has toured the news studios all week. this is not another news interview. it is not an interrogation about that policy. it is a conversation, as this whole series is, about what shapes her political thinking. what shapes her views? what shapes her values? suella braverman, thanks forjoining me on political thinking. thank you, nick. you have had a lively week, haven t you? do you relish the rows you cause? do you like the controversies? do you like the smell of political gunpowder? well, listen, i think it comes with the territory of being home secretary, of fronting up policy relating to migration. issues at the home office are very emotive.
she s loathed by others. my guest on political thinking has toured the news studios all week. this is not another news interview. it is not an interrogation about that policy. it is a conversation, as this whole series is, about what shapes her political thinking. what shapes her views? what shapes her values? suella braverman, thanks forjoining me on political thinking. thank you, nick. you have had a lively week, haven t you? do you relish the rows you cause? do you like the controversies? do you like the smell of political gunpowder? well, listen, i think it comes with the territory of being home secretary, of fronting up policy relating to migration. issues at the home office are very emotive. they relate to security and safety, people s wellbeing. particularly migration,
some white working class and brown and black and asian american working class voters all over the country. and the answer that republican politicians that are running for president seem to have is, attacking trans people, which younger voters under 30 means that you re going to lose them in a landslide. younger voters are not playing that game. if you re game is to attack trans people, what voters under 30 are you getting? you re going to lose even young white voters under 30 that way. you get the results of 2022, where we saw a tremendous amount of younger voters turn out to vote, actually a record number. the base right now, and i just want to go to desantis again for a minute because i don t think he s all of that. i agree with you, he s really just trump without the personality. but what s worse is that he has been so insulated during his four years as governor. he has not done a major news interview, other than with fox news or some local conservative
most ever for a news interview. barbara walters broke glass ceilings broke ratings records at 93. she will absolutely be missed in this industry. actually when you talk about these famous interviews that she did, there s so many women that got involved in this business because of her, would you say the monica lewinsky interview was the biggest one to stand out to you. i would think so. but there are many, right we all remember the 10 most fascinating people of the year. she did that special for abc for many, many years, and it attracted tens of millions of viewers because there were so fascinating everybody would speak to barbara walters because she had credibility and she listened. which is something that a lot of people in this business, not you, actually, of course, but a lot of people in this industry don t have that ability. she asked great questions. but she also listen and understand that she wasn t the story. her interview e was the story. lot
if he lost. i don t remember if he was asked in a debate or a news interview. where he refused to i think it is in a debate with joe biden. he was the only one though. now you have 300. this is incredible. i mean, liz cheney s message is great. it might be two years too late. yeah. so clearly this label election denier has become the badge you have to affix to your chest if you re going to move forward as a gop candidate. the ironic thing is that they re duping the people who are going to vote for them. don t think for a second that these people running for office at high level are so dumb that they ve ignored all of the facts an the court cases and the appeals of the election in 2020 and they re true believers in this. no, they need this to get you to vote for them. that is all they care about. with regard to the core of the recent polling that shows the people who label themselves quote strong republicans, a