to dozens of hard-right politicians in a bunch of different european countries, paying them to plant kremlin propaganda in western media outlets, boosting pro-russia candidates in the process. russia is really scaling it up in terms of what they are doing for election interference around the world. and we have an election this year too. maybe it is not surprising but still bracing to open up a chicago paper today and read this. russian propaganda push expected in chicago for democratic national convention, experts say. one expert telling the chicago sun-times, quote, this is just a target-rich stew for the russians to try lots of things and see what works. joining us now is reporter tom schuba, assistant criminal justice editor at the chicago sun-times. it s a pleasure to have you here. thanks very much for being here. hey, rachel. thanks for having me. so the experts that you talked to, are they expecting this in the abstract, or are they seeing things happening in the news
And the fact hes not going to the debates, hes having a Town Hall, hes doing this on purpose. Because hes trying to show that hes the bigger deal. He can go and have a Town Hall and just speak to what he wants to do, while we are having a republican, a Gop Debate with every other candidate. So welcome back to donald trump. Kurt, politico published a piece this week making the case that nikki haley, believe it or not, actually has a real shot to beat donald trump. And i guess headlines have to be catchy and make compelling case when youre working in that 24 7 news environment. Do you think they hold any water or is this thing effectively over no matter who wins New Hampshire . It depends on i think it depends on what the margin of victory, is that distance between Haley And Desantis on some level. And whether or not desantis get out
the u.s.-mexico border. and there was a woman in the group who said, well, actually he must have meant to do that. he intentionally left gaps in the wall because that way it would herd the migrants into those gaps and make them easier to detain. and the operative told me watching this and just thinking how can you possibly argue with that kind of thinking. isaac, how much of this has to do with a polarized news environment where people just get different stories, their realities of what donald trump is and the things he says are entirely different including the fact he sort of uses increasingly authoritarian and dictatorial rhetoric that would generally turn people off in a democracy and it s not with his supporters. he s been speaking to right-wing media and his supporters directly. he hasn t faced a main stream interview in quite some time, several months. and so he s intentionally going
operatives who recalled observing one of these focus groups and they tried explaining to the republicans in the focus group that trump promised to build a wall. that was his signature campaign promise in 2016. and there is no wall on the u.s. mexico border. and there was a woman in the group who said, well, actually, he must have meant to do that. he intentionally left gaps in the wall because that way it would heard the migrants into those gaps and make them easier to detain. and the operative told me, watching this and just thinking, how can you possibly argue with that kind of thinking? isaac, how much hat has this to do with a polarized news environment, where people just get different stories? their realities about what donald trump is and what he says are entirely different, including the fact that he sort of uses increasingly authoritarian and dictatorial rhetoric that we generally turn people off in a democracy and it s not for his supporters? he s been speaking to
get some return on that investment. i spoke to one republican operatives who recalled observing one of these focus groups and they tried explaining to the republicans in the focus group that trump promised to build a wall. that was his signature campaign promise in 2016. and there is no wall on the u. s. mexico border. and there was a woman in the group who said, well, actually, he must have meant to do that. he intentionally left gaps in the wall because that way it would herd the migrants into those gaps and make them easier to detain. and the operative told me, watching this and just thinking, how can you possibly argue with that kind of thinking? isaac, how much of this has this to do with a polarized news environment, where people just get different stories? their realities about what donald trump is and what he says are entirely different, including the fact that he sort of uses increasingly authoritarian and dictatorial