but the neo isolationist far right got in his ear as well as the self-loathing far left and told him you need to end this endless war. we are facing real enemies there. mcmaster did point a finger at the three most recent administrations, which would include his former boss, but somehow left off george w. bush. he also forgot to mention one more architect of our present mess, himself. in 2017 the washington post reported that mcmaster played a key role in getting trump to commit more troops to afghanistan, presenting him with a black and white snapshot from 1972 of afghan women in mini skirts walking through kabul to show him that western norms had existed there before and could return. with me now, former senator claire mccaskill of missouri and david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones and author of the news letter this land. thank you for being here. i will start with you, claire
iran problem is to overthrow the iranian regime. first of all, that seems very unlikely. this is a regime well entrenched. secondly, this is fueling iran nationalism because they see themselves as being bullied by america. third, imagine the chaos. if we thought regime change in the iraq produced chaos in the middle east, regime change in iran will be a different level. they have their tentacles in syria and lebanon and iraq. but they have proxy supporters all over. exactly. they actually helped us enormously in afghanistan. they could destabilize afghanistan where there are still american troops. i mean, this would be iraq on steroids. a much more difficult military problem. in some way, anderson, i think our salvation here may actually be the fact that donald trump is basically a neo isolationist. he does not want to get into a war. but unfortunately, what he does like to do, he likes to bully people. he likes to push people around. he likes to put a finger in your
entrenched. secondly, this is fueling iran nationalism because they see themselves as being bullied by america. third, imagine the chaos. if we thought regime change in the iraq produced chaos in the middle east, regime change in iran will be a different level. much more complicated. much more chaotic. they have their tentacles in syria and lebanon and iraq. but they have proxy supporters all over. exactly. they actually helped us enormously in afghanistan. they could destabilize afghanistan where there are still american troops. i mean, this would be iraq on steroids. a much more difficult military problem. in some ways, anderson, i think our salvation here may actually be the fact that donald trump is basically a neo isolationist. he does not want to get into a war. but unfortunately, what he does like to do, he likes to bully people. he likes to push people around. he likes to put a finger in your chest and try to provoke a reaction. my concern is that bolton may be maneuv
world s cop, it was nationalist, it was a neo-isolationist, that was president obama s policy on the world stage, not ours. we re going to step up made the world leader that we have been and still are. meghan: i want to read you a tweet because i was impacted by this. a veteran named mr. jones said i lost my legs because the government was afraid to use the tools they had and saw me as expendable. i wish i had this a administration. julie: if you look back in history and you look at what iraq, there are many people who believe president bush of the time had protected that isis would rear its ugly head if we didn t do something serious by dropping a big bomb. now, al qaeda, we have isis. it only gets worse. chris murphy actually tweeted out on this and i want to read it. while reading stories about this be 27, ask yourself why dropping bombs on the enemy and they re not a defeated.
policy, it s so inconsistent there s no way to measure yourself by donald trump because he was going to be a neo isolationist, yet at the same time, we hear he s a hyper real lift who is now looking to be even more aggressive in sending troops to fight isis. it s a jumble of different ideas, many of them in conflict. i increasingly think, joe, we won t with sure what the foreign policytrategy is of this president until we have our first real crisis. i think that s going to harden this group. it s going to show be rex tillerson is going to be a strong secretary of state or a fifth wheel. going to test general mattis at the pentagon. going to test h.r. mcmaster. they are trying to build a new strategy top to bottom. they re writing a document now. the idea is to take the america first idea and create a whole foreign policy architecture on top of that. that s a big job.