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alliance and partnership with the united states. your leadership seems much warmer notjust toward vladimir putin s russia, but to china as well. and you ve described. not you personally, but.afd leaders have described the eu as a catastrophe for germany and europe. do you think these are positions that the german people really share? it s two different questions. the eu is a catastrophe for germany. i ve been saying that for 20 years, and still do, for many, many economic reasons and, in the meantime, also society reasons. there s not a lot of good coming from brussels since 1990, when the european economic union, which we wanted and still want, was exchanged by the eu, which became a monster over the decades, especially with the 2007 lisbon treaty, where this loose agglomeration of nation states became a state in itself, in its own right, which it never should have become. and the euro is also a mechanism for transferring. crosstalk

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