honestly locked oked infinitely better than theirs, so i was troubled at why i was having such a hard time find ag job. you were turned down by a job by one employer, but after certification in the training camp, you ended up with a job in the same place? yes, sir. not in the same place, but i was turned down by many, many places repeatedly. after i went to training camp and i got my a-plus and network certifications which basically says i have roughly six months to a year in certain experience in the i.t. sector, i was getting all kinds of calls back within days after updating my resume and putting on these new certifications. chris, that kind of speaks to the question about what the value is of the typical undergraduate degree, which i m guessing is what tyler had. is there something that employers are not finding enough or that they don t have the confidence in what the degrees are from another did