some of your victims said, this guy is so smart, he s such a good salesman, he could be a multimillionaire legitimately. but, no, he needed to do it backwards. no, it s easier to do it backwards. easier? sure. come on. i had i i had two guys from microsoft investing almost $10 million in four months. but they would have invested it legitimately. i understand that, but i couldn t be legitimate. i didn t know how. maybe he really didn t. jim rowe told us about cons stretching back almost two decades all across the country. in massachusetts, a job driving a truck for a lumberyard turned into an embezzlement scheme. i think the total is $22,000 they came up with. i think it was a lot more than that. in colorado he got a job drilling water wells, and soon his foreman was giving him money. i think bob invested somewhere in the neighborhood of $40,000 to $45,000. i don t remember the exact amount. he worked at a machine shop near san diego as head of quality control.