i m looking forward to reading the book. thank you. i want to ask you just to start here with victory in the age in the age of durable disorder, which seems like an important phrase. yes. what is the age of durable disorder? what does it mean and what are its implications? well, we live in a world of persistent conflict where forever wars have become the status quo and we ve come to accept that as normal and we have a foreign policy that s trying to recreate a liberal world order that existed 50 years ago. the point is that that doesn t exist anymore. humpty dumpty is down and trying to rebuild it is not the way forward. the world has changed. warfare has changed and we have to change with it. sean, i don t suppose you re saying we re moving beyond great power conflict as a dynamic that typifies most international relations in the system. you re talking about sort of the new forms in which that kind of conflict will take place. that s right.
broad statement of principles, which the president claimed was the end of the north korean threat and we essentially saw six months where there was no progress made in terms of real denuclearization. there was a big disappointment at the end of the year where nothing happened and then the north korean leader tweeted saying he was open to nor meeting and the president jumped on it. it seems when the president goes on to the world stage and meets with these types of leads are, there s always a level of concerns. what are the krns yconcerns you about this meeting, if any? the concerns are the ones laid out in the report. this is a complicated negotiation. it s not something you can just wing. we have to go after nuclear weapons, but we also have to go after the delivery systems, which are these 20 missile bases. the concern is that trump will
money, a huge score, and was saying things on the campaign trail that were unusual for a candidate for president and were thanksgiving that putin would want to hear, a tax on nato, for example. in a by itself in any other era would be a massmassive, massive scandal. it is and giuliani thinks it s exculpatory. let ta s talk about the buzzd story. are you surprised there hasn t by any other reporting backing it up and what do you make of buzzfeed standing by their store? john? it is extraordinary that mueller s office put out the statement it did. extraordinary. there is a lot of debate over the weekend about how much of a blanket denial that statement was, how did he read it, how did he construct it, whether tfs
was a short-term gift for the president, the mueller statement. absolutely. i m surprised they re not taking it for what it s worth and leaning into it very heavily. but i think, mika, what you had said earlier about twitter is particularly worth leaning into. it has become a tool that we all have to use in this business but it is absolutely pernicious and dangerous to the national dialogue. and leading in a curiosity and voracity, it punch ishs you for being president clinton and we re going to have to reckon with this and say is this thing actually worth it? and you brought up a good point, the president is not
the fact that this is all happening in public means we re still at the posturing stage. at this point where does the state of the union stand? i reached out to some moderate democrats in the senate because clearly this was an attempt to move this issue over to the senate. my reporting is that mitch mcconnell picked up the phone and called the president and said, look, nancy pelosi is not going to budge on this, you need to shake things up. that s why the proposal came to move this to the senate and pressure moderate democrats. it was in short order that we heard from some of these democrats like mark warner, who was one of the number one targets. he represents a state with a lot of federal workers. look nick said, this is not even about the details at this point of the negotiation, it s about