they don t know what to do. they have ty cobb in there. they re running out these people to be interviewed. if mueller real has his hands on the collusion case, the only way to save themselves is to attempt to blow it all up. you re not saying they re ethically right. no. you re saying strategically howard is saying they strategically understand if there s an existential threat, you don t want to cooperate with someone who may be trying to legally slit the throat of your organization and that is a view that this is too cooperative. so speak to that that he so intelligently laid out. if there is a collusion case and papadopoulos is cooperating, you have a report in bloomberg that he says a secret meeting was approved by the campaign.