Chris Hayes discusses the days top news. So im going to be a little contrary here, chris, say i see where the president is coming from when he says this is a bit old news, my colleague, bob costa and i wrote in november when don mcgahn went before bob muellers interview team, sat down with verdicts two days straight so people have known for a long time that don mcgahn was cooperating with the investigation, that everyone who was in the white house was encouraged to voluntarily be engaged in these interviews. Now what we do know now is that after the week stories, by the times don mcgahns attorney has alerted and assured trumps own legal team that don mcgahn provided no information that was incriminating to the president , did not incriminate him. In fact, don mcgahns lawyer was putting tear mind to ease, sent them information saying my guy does not incriminate your guy. Are you serving the office of the presidency and you are serving the american public. Youve got to balance those two
remember, mcgahn says, calls trump king kong, because of his volcanic outbursts. mcgahn is the guy who trump says, go to sessions and tell him to recuse before he knows. mcgahn is the guy who argues against the comey firing. and i just don t see how they can blindly say he couldn t have given him anything. it s not the good point that carol makes they don t know what mueller already knows, but the whom core point of evidence that remains here for mueller is trump s state of mind. right. and mcgahn is shoulder to shoulder with trump daily. he sees him screaming. he sees these tirades. he sees him talk about comey, talk about sessions. it seems implausible the info he provide, just the factual enno could be ill num lateing what was if trump s mind when he did
not a target of the investigation involving michael cohen. so if that s the case the idea coopererator cooperator s agreement may not be an issue. but certainly from a friendship perspective that bus that ran over him today had the word trump on it. on the tires. not good. jennifer ruben writes in the washington post. if every fbi object were as loose-lipped and oblivious as president trump they d need to build more federal prisons. she makes the case the best evidence for mueller is trump. is she right? absolutely. i mean, look, you know, the threats with every passing day are less veiled. you know, when he says and as for the department of justice, you know, i m staying away, but that won t last long or words to that effect, i mean he s got a threatening tone towards the prosecutors.
the president of the united states? now, we know according to donald trump rod rosenstein already told the president that he was a not a target of the investigation involving michael cohen. so if that s the case the idea of a cooperation agreement may not be an issue. but certainly from a friendship perspective that bus that ran over him today had the word trump on it. and the tires. the statement said they need to be build more federal prisons. she makes the case the bez evidence for mueller is trump. look, the threats with every passing day are less veiled. you know, when he says and as for the department of justice, you know, i m staying away, but that won t last long or words to
decision makers in charge of these investigations. katrina is confused about the standard. if there is a conflict of interest or extraordinary circumstances. neither of those are in place. so sessions made the right place. what happened with mueller is very different. the reason we have a special counsel with mueller is trump fired i m. when he fired comey that slowed was a conflict of interest. trump said a week later on nbc he fired comey because let me finish. the reason that we know that there was conflict of interest is trump went on nbc and said i fired comey because of the russia investigation. that s a true conflict of interest and that s how weenlded up with a special counsel. sessions decided not to have a special counsel there will be is