remember, mcgahn says, calls trump king kong, because of his volcanic outbursts. mcgahn is the guy who trump says, go to sessions and tell him to recuse before he knows. mcgahn is the guy who argues against the comey firing. and i just don't see how they can blindly say he couldn't have given him anything. it's not the good point that carol makes they don't know what mueller already knows, but the whom core point of evidence that remains here for mueller is trump's state of mind. >> right. >> and mcgahn is shoulder to shoulder with trump daily. he sees him screaming. he sees these tirades. he sees him talk about comey, talk about sessions. it seems implausible the info he provide, just the factual enno could be ill num lateing what was if trump's mind when he did