and when you start to do that, you don t care about who governs then. if you don t care about government, why not michele bachmann or herman cain? why not? anyway, i don t think they like government or leadership or politics, really, politics, they don t like democratic government. they don t like having a leader. they like to bring these are guys who tear down statues, they don t put them up. anyway, thank you, howard, fineman. david answered my question. glad to do that. glad we got to it. thank you. coming up, as the republican race boils down to a two-man fight, it looks like, who would president obama like to run against? he doesn t have the choice but it seems like he s showing a choice here. newt or mitt? let s see if we can find out which one they re hoping to run against. you re watching hardball, only on msnbc. [ male announcer ] in 189, a small town pharmacist set out to create a different kind of cold remedy using powerful medicine and natural ingredients fr
debase the nature of politics. and i think that s a very corrosive thing. but they ve also lost control. you know, their policy agenda is to debase government. you know, to discredit government. they don t want a leader. and when you start to do that, you don t care about who governs then. if you don t care about government, why not michele bachmann or herman cain? why not? anyway, i don t think they like government or leadership or politics, really, politics, they don t like democratic government. they don t like having a leader. they like to bring these are guys who tear down statues, they don t put them up. anyway, thank you, howard, fineman. david answered my question. glad to do that. glad we got to it. thank you. coming up, as the republican race boils down to a two-man fight, it looks like, who would president obama like to run against? he doesn t have the choice but it seems like he s showing a choice here. newt or mitt? let s see if we can find out which one
romney s going to stay because he s got a lot of money. newt is obviously going to be a factor. perry s got money down the stretch. perry s going to get the texas votes. i think you have a real chance, if this goes state by state by state, now that the republicans have gone to proportional breakup of the delegates, like we have in the democratic party, you have a chance that you might have a convention with the opening gone and no one will have 50% of the vote. not very likely, but a real chance. that would be nice. it would be nice for us. gentlemen, i wish i feel good about our country when you two guys were on the air. i wish you two guys were the ones running the country, not these clowns. thank you michael, your party embarrasses me and you delight me. i m using against them right now, by the way. up next, another amazing interview with the man at the center, from the sublime to the ridiculous, the penn state scandal has reared its ugly head again. jerry sandusky can t s
the way he s going to get votes is if he can tear down newt gingrich. he has to go hot and heavy after newt gingrich on television. in fact, that tape of gingrich and pelosi talking about global warming, he s got to put 1,000, 1,500 points on television for the next two weeks, showing people that tape. it would shock the living daylights out of a lot of iowa conservatives who are trending right now towards newt gingrich. so mitt romney s got to do some of the banging himself, but he s going to have a pretty powerful ally in rick perry. they ve got the same motive right now, and that s to bring newt gingrich down. let me ask michael how do you see perry? do you see him alive enough to be even an attack dog? even if he can t win it, can he make noise and bring down newt? not effectively. i was going to see in response to the governor s point, the only way that strategy works is if perry doesn t engage directly himself. i think the fact of the matter is there s been so much that s a
u.s. congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz is a democrat from florida, of course. she s also chair of the democratic national committee. congresswoman, madam chairman, i guess that s the question. here s david axelrod, by the way, over the weekend, laying out the case against romney on meet the press . this is about how you behave in public. and he seems to think that every day is a new day that he can simply change all of his positions, depending on who his audience is or what the political circumstance is. and that is not what you want in a president of the united states. and here s the same ax, giving a shove, by the way, at gingrich earlier today on the daily rundown . i was amused by the newt gingrich ad, by the way, because he talked about he s going to bring the country together to solve problems. you re talking about the godfather of gridlock here. the guy who two decades ago really invented the kind of tactics that have now become common place in washington. so this i