the way he's going to get votes is if he can tear down newt gingrich. he has to go hot and heavy after newt gingrich on television. in fact, that tape of gingrich and pelosi talking about global warming, he's got to put 1,000, 1,500 points on television for the next two weeks, showing people that tape. it would shock the living daylights out of a lot of iowa conservatives who are trending right now towards newt gingrich. so mitt romney's got to do some of the banging himself, but he's going to have a pretty powerful ally in rick perry. they've got the same motive right now, and that's to bring newt gingrich down. >> let me ask michael -- how do you see perry? do you see him alive enough to be even an attack dog? even if he can't win it, can he make noise and bring down newt? >> not effectively. i was going to see in response to the governor's point, the only way that strategy works is if perry doesn't engage directly himself. i think the fact of the matter is there's been so much that's already been placed in the minds of voters with respect to perry, not just on the issues, but how