did they. they didn t expect that this president was going to come out with as strong of a proposal as he did. they thought first term obama was going to show up again, and clearly that wasn t true. you know, the plan that they presented today just isn t serious. it isn t serious if we say you re not going to raise the rates on the top wage earners. it s not serious if it says you re going to make significant cuts and try to tie entitlements to this so-called fiscal cliff which isn t a cliff at all. just like mitt romney wasn t a serious candidate, this is not a serious plan. karen, the president s plan includes talk not just of taxes, but also extended unemployment insurance. there doesn t seem to be any thought in the gop plan. did the gop just literally wake up today and think, right, i know, let s get erskine bowles recommendation to the super committee and throw it out there. i think it s worse than that. you think it s worse? i do. because just in the same way we learn