invasion that would require major intervention from the west to stop. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel is on the ground there. reporter: katy, in ukraine they are, for obvious reasons, very worried about these talks failing. and they are worried even more so that the talks don t mean anything, that russia isn t serious, that russia isn t going into them with good faith. in fact, that russia is making such unrealistic demands that it is building a pretext for invading, that vladimir putin has sent his team of negotiators with such unrealistic demands to meet with the u.s., to meet with nato, to meet with europe, that the talks can only lead to one result which is failure, and then the some 100,000 troops poised on three sides of the ukrainian border would move in and take either more ukrainian territory or all of this country. it s important to remember
these dry legal questions. nobody is suggesting in a million years that the pandemic isn t serious and that people aren t getting sick and dying, but to start saying people are getting sick in huge numbers, that s separate from the legal issue before the court. the legal issue before the court, again just to repeat, is wait a minute, what s the scope of osha s authority? there was a very famous case called chevron that under the chevron doctrine courts traditionally give pretty wide deference to administrative agencies. but there s an exception called the major issue doctrine which means if the issue is overwhelmingly important to everybody and to the country, you give less deference. these are the precise legal arguments. so to hear justice kagan say,ings you know, this is the only way to eradicate this problem, i was very, very surprised, honestly. i really was. eric: yeah. we just looked at the video
they are silly in some ways and they don t make basic sense in some ways and that would generally lead you when you are sort of deciding what to talk about in the country that that s something that isn t serious and shouldn t be reported upon. that said, these are actual election results that he is after. the election materials that he is subpoenaing or demanding or asking to have handed over to him, these are the real records, and it would seem to me that this is sort of in equal parts silly, but also dangerous in terms of what he s asking you to do in terms. security of these eerls and how this is being represent today the people of wisconsin in terms of whether there was really something wrong with the election. that s how i see it from a media perspective. i don t know if that resonates with you at all as a pro who is right in the middle of this? yeah, i think originally there was some concern that this was going to go the route of the arizona audit where we were going to start g
they are silly in some ways. they don t make basic sense in some ways. that which an early lychee when you are deciding what to talk about in the country, that s something that isn t serious and should it be reported upon. that said these are actual election results that he is after. the election materials that he is subpoenaing, or demanding, or asking to have handed over to him, these are the real records. it would seem to me that this is sort of an equal parts silly, but also dangerous in terms of why he is asking you to do, in terms of the security of these materials, and how it s being represented to the people of wisconsin whether there really was something wrong with the election. that s how i see it looking at it from a media perspective. i don t know if that resonates with you as a pro who s right in the middle of this? yeah, i think originally there was some concern that this was going to go the route of the arizona audit where we were going to start going
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