A change of power in great britain. And they were also some changes in other countries like italy or sweden. But i would argue that the change of leadership happened without a change of policies. What, how long do you think it will take before actual changes, some sort of connection to reality happens . Well, it depends on how dedicated the people who are pushing these changes are. I saw the demonstrations signs from paris and rome in the last couple of days with signs saying out of the you, out of nato. Thats a shift. And i dont think the government should have been elected, are ready to leave the European Union or nato. But the people are, the people are being told you have to freeze for the sake of nato. And i dont think thats a good selling point in germany or anywhere. How can i ask you something . And maybe thats my certificate to radical and heritage posing this question. But i think people in the west invest too much in the power of protests, you know, taking to this treat, to
And tested relationship laid the groundwork for peace and prosperity to europe over the last 50 years. What awaits the continent now that these connections are being purposefully severed at americas bidding . Well, to discuss it, im now joined by harley slang or Vice President of the schuler institute. Mr. Shlang, or its great to talk to you. Thank you very much for your time. Well, thank you very much for your invitation. Now let us start with the practical things. I know that the germans used to be known for that practicality on attention to business. And the other day german chancellor of schultz remarked that one of the i guess sailor linings on the current confrontation between russia and the west and ukraine is the fact that germany is on track of being fully liberated from its dependence on russia. Energy sources is that full free them as far as you are concerned, theyre just trading. One dependence for another was now have the freedom to freeze the freedom to not have food. The
Talk to you. Thank you very much for your time. Well, thank you very much for your invitation. Now let us start with the practical things. I know that the germans used to be known for that practicality and attention to business and the other day german chancellor. All of shoulds remarked that one of the, i guess Silver Linings of the current confrontation between russia and the west in ukraine is the fact that germany is on track well being fully liberated from its dependence on Russias Energy sources. Is that full freedom as far as youre concerned . Theyre just trading one dependence for another . Well, you know, has the freedom, the frees the freedom to not have food. The current government in germany is a disaster. And its trying to use the situation thats outside of its control to carry out a transition, which i think is a foolish transition of we at the show or institute. Think that the idea of a 0 net carbon world doesnt function and whats needed is new technologies and whats nee
Is that the dont looking, learned as being of dealing with a very difficult Global Environment for a long time. I would say for 300 years, i think we have been a colony of the british for a long time and then be had a little system dominated by the rest after the 2nd world war is traditionally dominated also by the rest. But even in multilateral organization, so dominated by major us. So what is now called the global salt, which is essentially a dont a big countries are used to be called card world. And as youre going to them, but has not been in a good position for a long time. And its only in the last couple of decades with globalization and new opportunities for growth that, you know, countries like china and india and many other countries in latin america and africa experienced. I think the current crisis, international crisis, both the water ukraine, but more importantly, all the policy kind of decisions taken as a consequence of the war on hunting us. India hasnt very interesting
Institution of india. Mr. Barrow, its great pleasure, great honor for me to talk to you. Thank you very much for your time. My pleasure to be on the show. Now. Thank you. I once heard from a prominent european politician that it doesnt matter whether elephants are fighting or making law, the grass underneath them, get trampled. And if we expand that metaphor to the geopolitical situation in the world today, not just the grad underneath them to the fact that its the valleys and the village is a part of miles away. Do you think russia a fully aware of the, of the kind of damage that our confrontation is visiting up upon 3rd party . Well, im pretty sure the, the question is, what ive been doing about the fact is that the dont looking one that has been dealing with a very difficult to Global Environment for a long time. I would say for 300 years, i think we have been a colony of the british for a long time. And then we had a little system dominated by the rest after the 2nd world war is tr