i want to go back to something you said right in the beginning of this, fouad, which is extraordinary and i didn t think about it until just now. so the foreign minister says they can t lift the state of emergency because there are 17,000 prisoners. the former interior ministry is being investigated for intentionally letting those prisoners out to foment crisis and chaos, so now they re using something their government did as another fake reason. it s kind of orwellian. i know several of them. i know the editor in chief of the leading paper. if i were in this regime, i would be very careful because this regime is beginning to throw them over the wall. it s beginning to make concessions and in making concessions, it s begun to prosecute former ministers. the minister of commerce, the
former ministers, the minister of commerce, the minister of tourism, the minister of interior. i think maybe this regime is cracking. maybe that immovable object may be beginning to move. but we re still early in this confrontation. there is really no victory for either side yet. but morally, morally, the regime has completely collapsed. and yet again, i think every day, the lives of these protesters hang in the ambulance. we ll come to you back after the break. how the white house was handlinging the crisis. ivan, you spoke today with the man really of the hour these last few days, i want to play some of your interview with him.
there was a conspiracy and the protesters were part of a larger plan but it is a grass roots situation that grew out of the unemployment and people are poverty stricken and hungry because food prices have gone up and people did not bond with what he said. the nothing they are the notion they are part of something bigger. clayton: and from washington, dc the former deputy national security advisor for the bush administration to weigh in on what we have talked about this morning. nice to see you this morning. the latest information we have is president mubarak will appoint a cabinet later in the afternoon defiant to the end. guest: this will not mean anything. they are knox demonstrating against the minister of commerce or trade but against mubarak so that will not have an effect. dave: how should the u.s. go