the democratic strategist mary anne marsh and david yelland, formerly editor of the sun, deputy editor of the new york post, and now running his own communications, advisory firm. welcome to the programme. it will take several days to develop a full picture of the devestation across turkey and north west syria. but it is highly likely the death toll, which stands at more than 3,500, will rise. the first earthquake of 7.8 magnitude, struck at 4.20 this morning, while most people were in their beds, 20 miles from the city of gaziantep. note the time strap, on the footage from this security camera. the shelves rattled continuously for over a0 seconds. and that gives you a fair idea of what was happening outside. the emergency teams say at least 3,000 buildings have collapsed across eight provinces in turkey. here s the before and after, the gazientep castle, walls that have stood for over 1500 years. in daylight, the badly damaged housing blocks were still falling. this one in
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7.5 would be a massive earthquake in and of itself. the radius of the zone affected stretches some 400 miles, so the challenge for the search and rescue teams is monumental, particularly in north west syria, where the infrastructure was already in fragile state after years of air strikes and bombardment there have been over 538 deaths in government held territory, aleppo, hamma, latakia, tartus, and another 400 in the last opposition held enclave centered in idlib province. the syrian army has been deployed but not to idlib. they are on their own. we are joined now by ahmed bayram, from the norwegian refugee council, which is among the aid groups providing support. and professor mike steckler, he s a geophisicist from the lamont doherty earth observatory at columbia university of new york. welcome to you both. can i talk to you first? there are always three factors in an earthquake. there is the debt and the location of an earthquake. there is the magnitude of the earthquake and of cou