and he would not move back from his $5.7 billion offer if the does look like, as john said, we re getting closer to the emergency option where he could declare an emergency option and try to find many elsewhere in the budget. there are a number of republicans that are opposed to that, including senator marco rubio who said that would be a bad precedent and sour things with congress who has the power of the purse. so the president is potentially going to be on his own if he decides to go out and do a national emergency where he s getting pushback not only from democrats and people are going to be filing lawsuits and some senate republicans in the house do not think that s the way to go. two things, there s a difference between saying it publicly i don t think the president should use executive powers and privately because everyone s saying if he does this, fine, we have to get the shutdown off the table. the second thing is not only did mick mul vianey say the president was considerin
he s pretending that he would never speak to investigators or testify against the president, but then he s saying i just won t lie. there s a way to tell the truth and speak to investigators. there s two things to note. first of all, he s under indictment for lying, for lying five times. there s also obstructing justice and tampering way witness. the second piece is to cooperate, it s not just about talk about other people, you have to be honest with yourself and what you ve done and there s no evidence that he can do that in this case. i don t think he s going to get that call to be a cooperator. toe the liw the line, that st interesting thing. you were here on day three and the washington post put all this in stark perspective for me. they pointed out just how many people connected to the president have lied about russia and many of them have been indicted or charged or convicted. michael cohen, paul manafort, all convicted, rick gates convicted for lying about russia, and now
thank you. be sure to watch senator kamala harris as she joins jake tapper from a live town hall. from iowa. it s only on cnn. now to venezuela, self-proclaimed acting president guan guaido told the washington post they are in talks with officials to oust president nicholas maduro. this comes after maduro alleges a coupe for an upheaval in that country. what s the latest? reporter: that interview with the washington post all but confirming that there are indeed talks between juan guaido, the self-proclaimed entering president of venezuela who swore himself in last week and the members of the military. the arms force are increasingly