he's pretending that he would never speak to investigators or testify against the president, but then he's saying i just won't lie. there's a way to tell the truth and speak to investigators. >> there's two things to note. first of all, he's under indictment for lying, for lying five times. there's also obstructing justice and tampering way witness. the second piece is to cooperate, it's not just about talk about other people, you have to be honest with yourself and what you've done and there's no evidence that he can do that in this case. i don't think he's going to get that call to be a cooperator. >> toe the liw the line, that'st interesting thing. you were here on day three and "the washington post" put all this in stark perspective for me. they pointed out just how many people connected to the president have lied about russia and many of them have been indicted or charged or convicted. michael cohen, paul manafort, all convicted, rick gates convicted for lying about russia, and now roger stone charged with lying about russia. it's a lot of lies.