just come back to get you. he s brandy zadrozny a senio reporter for nbc news. she covers misinformation, extremism and the internet she s no stranger to the vitriol tucker carlson - brandy was attacked multiple times by tucker on air, brandy is still working here ben smith is foreign media columnist for the new york times his new book, traffic is out one week from today. they both join me now. good to have you here. thanks for having us. so, i think our notion of cosmic justice, in some ways our tradition comes from the great notion of hubris and icarus flies to close to the son and his wings melt there is a little bit of the hubris story i mean, this guy was powerfu in a specific subsection o republican politics. he was kind of a kingmaker he could kind of break people. he clearly enjoyed having that power. and maybe you wield that power in a sort of capricious way an it starts to come back at you. yeah, and he was also a employee of a big company that is - the most importa
were the last straw. but while both reasons may b true, they re not ne revelations. what does seem to change was the rate at which ruble rupert murdoch was making aggressiv moves on the fly so, for them, running down a few of them. last october, murdaugh announced a plan to merge ne scored and fox corporation, an then in january, he took tha back and in november, he asked th editor and chief of the wall street journal and then in march, he announce that he was getting married. and then in april, he announce that the engagement was called off. and then, later in april, afte fighting to go to trial with dominion voting systems, h abruptly reversed course and greenlit a massive 800 million dollar settlement with dominion and now, today, he has a abruptly pushed out tucker carlson, the highest rated hos on fox news. joining us now is pence met. he s editor and chief, and als former media columnist for the new york times he s covered this for a while, and his recent book is traffic genius r
fox is going to have somebody on the ground covering it, media columnist, long time media host said he will actually be covering the trial from willing mngten, which is a bit of the change because they kind of tried to avoid this a little bit. they initially said they didn t want to talk about something fox didn t want him to cover it because it was ongoing now it seems that s shifted. it s going to be all over this network, all over cnn. to the latter point i think it really depends whether fox comes out of this victorious and, you know, there s always the possibility that could be the case the standard they re trying to meet is called actual malice, which is really, really hard legal standard to reach. so, you know, this could remain unchanged. unchanged. you know, one of the hosts is still a host on fox news, and she has said, essentially, that she still believes she doesn t know what to believe about the 2020 election and whether or not there was fraud you know, even though the
mark. by the way, this is what rupert murdoch asked what the consequences should be. he said they should be reprimanded, maybe got rid of. they have a media columnist there. his name is howard kurtz. here s what he said about what he s allowed to say about this. some of you have been asking why i m not covering the dominion voting machines lawsuit against fox involving the unproven claims of election fraud in 2020. it s absolutely a fair question. i believe i should be covering it. it s a major media story given my role here at fox. the company has decided that as part of the organization being sued, i can t talk about it or write about it, at least for now. i strongly disagree with that decision, but as an employee i have to abide by it. that seems incriminating to me. they re saying don t talk about this on the air. he s their media con lum nis me.
undermine him. it didn t work. you certainly see major powers in the republican party, fox news, the coke network really going at him frontally in a new way. it is really interesting. this memo saying that they are going to get involved in the 2024 primaries. they don t say trump directly. but this memo talks about moving on from the past. that is basically everyone s new cliche line when they talk about trump without saying that they re talking about trump, right? yeah. they spell trump a lot of different ways in that memo. but, you know, but, in fact, in some ways, that is courageous. they re going to take a lot of heat. anyone challenging him is going after the most popular figure in the party. going to take a lot of hits. thank you. editor in chief of the former new york times media columnist. thank you for introducing me. i wanted you in on the last conversation. we re looking at you saying, is that true? so many different things about biden like my mom who is the so