live from washington, this is bbc news. ukraine s president rejects russia s claim that it controls the embattled city of bakhmut. translation: bakhmut | is not occupied by russian federation, as of today. there are no two or three interpretations of those words. with the clock ticking to avoid default, president biden and house speaker mccarthy say they ll resume debt negotiations on monday. and learning lesssons from covid. at its annual meeting, the world health organization looks for ways to better prepare forfuture pandemics.
do you know anything? well, i know if they have any meeting because i ve heard speaker mccarthy say the biggest two threats to our nation and our future is china and the debt. so, i don t think the president will escape having to deal with negotiating some fiscal reforms in the most responsible way, so that we can bend that debt curve so that we can get on a sustainable path, stave off a debt crisis and act like adults and actually act like every other american. every other level of government, every business, and actually consider the massive amounts of debt, our ability to pay that, and what it s doing to our economy and what it could do, neil, to our national security, our way of life and our global leadership. so, i suspect that they re going to have that conversation, whether the president wants to or not. neil: do you think you re being sucked into a trap though,
journal s kimberly strossel, they got changes and the rules the bay they operate now take the win was her argument in the wall street journal. i do think on the flip side there are a lot of people who look at this and there s some frustration that it s going this long and they expected it to end tonight but lisa mclane from michigan who said, this was the line heading into the weekend, taking a few days to pick a speaker isn t shameful. biden s afghanistan withdraw was shameful. she voted for mccarthy i should point out. but there s some people that are relishing this moment to show the country, what? that they are going through the process. but it s sort of like they ve made their point and they got the changes and now the people who are supporting mccarthy say, hey, we re here, let s move on. what else is there to fight for i guess is the question,
this is going to go, but this is going to be a lesson of getting what you want. and welcome to regular order. buckle up. you heard now speaker mccarthy say never, ever give up. you know that meme of the frog that s the experience the next two years, by the way. that notion of trying to figure out a way to stay with his head above the water. but when i heard the congressman talk together it was not on full display here, but did you happen to hear a narrative coming out of it? it s not a weekend speaker. it s more of decentralized power. that s a different way they re thinking about it now. it s not a weakened speaker, it s more about everyone having rank and file agency members and having everyone go back to how it s supposed to function in the right way.
law. why you have heard speaker to be mccarthy say that investigating mayorkas, the secretary of homeland secretary, is going to be one of the first things up in the new republican house. and it needs to be, because they simply have refused to enforce the law and they make this argument that we need people and we do need legal immigrants in this country. we are one of the most generous in the world but don t need the open borders policy of the biden administration, what we are seeing now. john: do you support the possible move by house republicans to impeach mayorkas if they did, and they were successful, it would land on your doorstep, likely not go anywhere. not a lot of tools available to the congress. i think they need to conduct an investigation, they need to build the record and remind people about all of the failures of secretary mayorkas and this administration, and demonstrate where he is has violated his