that to market. what is interesting is it is a kind of public private sector partnership but could not have happened without the government playing a critical role. with all of the basic research, all of the advances of science and technology that we use, boast of that basic research is supported by the government and a good theory and reason why that is the case. the fact is you cannot have the advances in technology if you do not have advances of science. host: innovation and therefore the growth. host: it has to rest on a foundation of government. guest: what i found so disturbing was the constant bashing of the government. the government does not do everything perfectly and any of us look at what happened with the bush administration has to agree often hits things very bad but it is also the case the private sector often does not get things perfectly. no democratic government probably has ever wasted money outside of four on the scale of our private sector in this c