taylor, masha yovanovitch, and george kent. george kent, if you read his transcript that was just released, he s talking about the morality of president trump trying to push the ukrainians to investigate the bidens, how immoral that was. he s also talking about the fact, this links back to your question about putin, that for 30 years now since the end of the cold war, every president has tried very hard to counsel the east europeans to act like democracies. the trump administration, rudy giuliani, was asking the ukrainians to act like thugs and actually to act like authoritarians. this testimony this week, next week, george kent, could be very powerful. i think he s a vital figure here. ambassador, a lot is hanging on that, as you know. what the democrats are arguing is already out there. the evidence is already out there. and so a lot of what they re talking about is, these folks are so credible, and what they
attorney for the northern district of alabama. and ambassador wendy sherman, former under-secretary of state for political affairs in the obama administration and an msnbc global affairs contributor. and ambassador sherman, as you read this account, this kind of day by day account of what was going on in ukraine, aides to the president of ukraine thinking maybe we do have to say this in order to save the country, were it not for the whistle-blower and were it not for politico, which is to say were it not for a free press and a whistle-blower, who knows what might have happened. indeed, lawrence. this is incredibly tragic. you know, we heard from george kent today in that transcript that he s a foreign service officer who believes his job is to really insist on the rule of law. and it appears that masha yovanovitch, the ambassador, lost her job because she pushed for the end of corruption and the rule of law of in ukraine, and that wasn t liked because it got rudy giuliani in presiden
to engage in some type of corrupt practice. but what each one of those arguments requires of the american people and why they fail ultimately in the eyes of the american people is it s asking the voter to believe secondhand information and interpretation of politicians over the firsthand fact-based coordination of people who were there, bill taylor, gordon sondland, ambassador yovanovitch, george kent. each of those saying yes the president was involved, yes he was coordinating it, yes there was intent, and yes there was impeachable activity. which leaves republicans with only one argument which they have failed to yet resolve and come down to which is it s simply not impeachable conduct. they don t want to reach that argument yet but it s inevitable they will have to. evelyn, george kent i can t figure out how you attack his as a witness, but republicans are going to spend a weekend trying to figure out how to do that. i mean, i think they re going to look really bad if they sta
american political rivals of the president of the united states. george kent was warned by ukrainian officials rudy giuliani was working in the shadows to try to control ukrainian policy. the ukrainian minister of the interior told george kent that giuliani s method was to throw mud. quote, and i said, throw mud at whom? and he said, a lot of people. i asked him whom and he said towards masha, towards you, towards others. question, masha is marie yovanovitch? kent, former ambassador yovanovitch, yes. george kent provided hours of details about rudy giuliani s activities which george kent referred to repeatedly under oath as, quote, a continuation of his campaign of lies. rudy giuliani can sue george kent for those words, can sue him for defamation, for calling rudy giuliani a liar, conducting a campaign of lies.
success. and vourlof course the attempt smear lieutenantte colonel vindn backfired very badly. we ll get to the stage where the defenders of the president say, yes, it was a p quid pro quo, wt are you going to do about it, yes, i dido call the code red. then republicans will have to decide whether to say, yes, this abuse of power took place and, e are okay with ofit. and anne gearan joins us now, washington post white house correspondent who also covers thee state department and the pentagon, you knowe so many of these owwitnesses, masha yovanovitch, bill taylor, these senior ambassadors who were so credible, alexander vindman, military war hero, these witnesses are going to be very hard to undermine and impeach by republican questioners. yeah, andrea, i don t know lieutenant colonel vindman but the others i do, and many others who have testified or whether testify, including possibly john