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Pretom in a minute narrative of nonviolence. The other intervention, i think, is cultural in terms of who we see or think of when we think of gun owners, and also how we think about black resistance. And then finally, there is a Public Policy implication for your presentation of the black tradition of arms. So i look forward to really getting into those three areas with you. But before, i was interested in hearing from you a little bit about your background and how you got into this topic. How did you arrive at topic . Guest sure. Well, happy to be here, and i think your sense about the way the book encounters the current conversation is accurate. My background in this is, there are two influences, i suppose. So i grew up in rural gun culture which was black gun culture. So everyone that i knew, all of the, you know, the good people of the community, my grandfather and father who were both ministers both owned guns and so did everybody else in the community. Really unapologetically. An

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